AnonymousStudent • Web Development Bootcamp - Full-time • Shanghai
Mar 14, 2023
Pros:
The classroom is setup nicely, some of the teachers are friendly and professional.
Cons:
1. The course design is unreasonable. This 10 weeks bootcamp contains Ruby on Rails and some front end courses, however, if you search junior Ruby on Rails in any job platform in China, you will find out it's less than 10. No kidding, it's not a popular backend language here at all while the course design contains most of the courses for this. And for the front end, how come the te...
Pros:
The classroom is setup nicely, some of the teachers are friendly and professional.
Cons:
1. The course design is unreasonable. This 10 weeks bootcamp contains Ruby on Rails and some front end courses, however, if you search junior Ruby on Rails in any job platform in China, you will find out it's less than 10. No kidding, it's not a popular backend language here at all while the course design contains most of the courses for this. And for the front end, how come the teacher only spent one day which is less than three hours to go through the Vue framework? For JavaScript is similar, a bit longer but than 3 hours but still very little.
It's very frustrated when you finally find out that you quit your job and spent your whole 10 weeks for this bootcamp, then finally they teach you something that is NOT match to the job market. Only until you finish this bootcamp and start to find a job, you will find out all out the front end job requires you at least good at Vue, React or Angular. I think if people have 0 background of coding before, then they can master Vue just in 2 hours, you're a genius and you no need to come to Le Wagon at all!
Hence, no one guide us to do our project with any framework for frontend! One of my expectation for this bootcamp is I can finish at least some presentable project and put them on my CV. However, the toy project they we made without any framework is totally unhelpful for job interview.
2. Some of the teachers here are NOT qualify to be a teacher. During the class, you will find out you paying almost 40,000 CNY(which is around 4 months of average salary of Shanghai/around 5500 EUR) for unprofessional teachers. I'd say some of them are really good as the pros that I mentioned, but some of them are not qualify. Sometimes, when you asked a simple question, the teacher/TA just don't know and said let's google it together. Which is fine at the beginning. However, sometimes it takes a long time, and they may said something really confuse you. The problem is they don't know exactly how it works, they just repeat the answer from Stack overflow. Which we can all see. I think sometimes, as a student, you're expect the teacher can explain the how it works rather than just repeat the answer. What's worse, sometimes they just asked you to check the documentation. I think it's good to learning how to check the documentation, but we spent lots of money for this bootcamp, I think it's reasonable that after I checked the documentation then I still have no answer, I can ask for help. Later on, me and some of my classmates realized that it's not because our teacher/TA are rude, it's because they don't know the answer. So they just keep saying that which makes you more confused.
As for teachers manner, I think some of them didn't receive enough training of how to be a teacher. Sometimes, they're having a conversation very loudly when we are sitting there to study. Sometimes, when you approach the teacher and want to ask the question, they saw you but just keep talking to their good friends. Which is in a very bad manner, they put their personal conversation in a higher level than their work during working hours. It's acceptable if you just go out to have your conversation and don't make some noise while people are studying. Some of the teachers even have emotional problems, you will find out they are very rude both verbally and physically. Sometimes, when we talk about this, we can just comfort each other that maybe he's in period.
3. Very limited assistance of career service. Before we join the bootcamp, we're informed that there's career service and some of our alumni joined some good company. However, finally we find out the so called career service is just teached you how to write a Linkedin profile and invited alumni to share their experience. We expected that Le Wagon may introduce and refer some web development position for us, while it turns out a PM. If you want to find a job? Please rely on your own. It's completely different as what Le Wagon Shanghai promotes, which is 93% employment rate and median salary on first job is 214k CNY. 214K is NOT for junior developer in China, I think it's very lucky if you can find a web developer position job with 15k CNY in Shanghai. As for the employment rate, my TA told me no one find a decent job as a developer after 2 months that they finished the bootcamp. For our batch, not one get hire as a developer after we completed our bootcamp.
In a nutshell, I think Le Wagon may have some good teachers and good relationship with some companies in Europe, however, please open your eyes and don't expect too much for Shanghai campus. The tech industry is very competitive in China now, if you looking for switch your career and get employ, maybe find a Chinese bootcamp is an option. I heard some of the people get hired by Accenture and Citi bank 1 week after they finished they bootcamp with half of Le Wagon's cost, and they have good projects. I really regret that I made a wrong decision and very anxious about my current situation. I wrote this for sharing my real experience and for someone who do not have tech background like me. Of course, if 40,000 CNY and 10 weeks means nothing for you, Le Wagon Shanghai is definitely worth to have a try!