Holberton School is a two-year software engineering school based in San Francisco that trains individuals to become Full Stack Software Engineers. The school's mission is to train the next generation of software developers through 100% hands-on learning, and upon completion of the program, students can complete a 6-month internship.
The curriculum adopts a project-based, peer learning approach. As an alternative to college and in lieu of formal classes, students solve increasingly complicated programming challenges with minimal instruction. Students will develop resourcefulness as they search for the tools they need to solve these challenges while working with their peers. Rather than focusing on tools and frameworks, students at Holberton "learn to learn" and develop problem-solving skills. Throughout the course of the program, students work on industry-level projects and build their own applications.
Holberton School is free until students find a job and is open to anyone over 18 years old. No programming experience is required. Admission to Holberton School is based only on talent and motivation, with no consideration given to gender, nationality, ethnicity, age or social status.
Holberton School students regularly interact with professional software engineers and industry leaders, as Holberton mentors work for rising startups and top-tier Silicon Valley companies such as Google, Apple, LinkedIn, Tesla and Airbnb. Mentors help students with exercises and projects to keep skill levels current, and mentors ensure that the curriculum stays up to date.
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Project-based alternative to college for the next generation of software engineers
Holberton School offers a two-year higher-education program in San Francisco, to become a highly skilled software and operations engineer, through project-based and peer learning. The combination of project-based learning and peer learning makes Holberton School more engaging for students. They are always hands-on, focusing on building actual applications and solving modern day challenges. The curriculum is designed for intelligent, passionate, dedicated and open-minded students. It is both intense and exciting. At Holberton School, students develop hundreds of small to complex applications, scripts and systems, in many different languages, and on different devices, operating systems, and clouds. Here are a few examples of technical and non-technical projects: - Clone Twitter and a service of your choice such as Airbnb - Build a search engine - Code your own shell - Create a computer virus - Contribute to an open source project - Build secure and scalable infrastructures that support your applications - Organize meetups - Interview industry leaders - Student projects are open-sourced online on the project host of their choice. During their second year, students have the option of working part-time at a company or on their own project / startup.
- Minimum Skill Level
- No experience required
- Prep Work
- Students complete first part of curriculum as application process
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I looked for a very long time to find a program with the curriculum, community, and culture that would result in long term success. Although I've only just started my experience, I have had both excellent results and resource access.
The staff, mentors, and community push you to always do better while extending the support and tools needed. They have somehow found a powerful balance between empowering students to be self-reliant within a collaborative, cooperative context.
I can't believe how much I've learned already; more than that, how I have started to perceive problems throughout my life and day differently on account of the immersive nature of the program and it's culture.
The student body is wonderfully diverse, creative, and bright with a lot of expertise to share - tech related or otherwise - and the mentor pool and support is impressive/authentic. I've never had so many people professionally extend help, encouragement, and time.
It is not a program suited for someone that wants to coast along or "get by"; however, if you want to learn to think critically, professionally, and creatively as a software engineer, I couldn't imagine a better environment in which to do that.
One of the best parts?! If you have questions or curiosity, just reach out to them. They will be honest and straightforward as you find the right fit in your journey into tech. I, for one, was surprised at how candid they all were during my application and interview process; it was refreshing given a lot of manufactured answers I had received from other programs.
Nutshell: if you are serious about wanting to learn how to learn, and if you want to live, breath, and dream tech....consider Holberton.
I am currently a student at Holberton School. Holberton is a full-stack software engineering school. The aim of the school is to emulate the workplace as much as possible to ready us for careers in software engineering. The space is set up like a startup - one main open space that makes collaboration easy and accessible. Everything is project based - allowing us to get a feel for what its like to work with deadlines. We are given limited guidance which forces us to use our resources, work with each other, and ultimately learn how to learn. This industry changes so quickly, it is no longer sufficient to learn a single langue or framework. We need to be agile and if we learn the fundamentals, new technologies that come along will be easy to pick up.
The founders are honestly one of my favorite parts of this school. They are hard working and dedicated to this place. Each one of them has come from reputable companies like Apple, Linkedin, and Docker. They come with real world knowledge and have been able to transfer that knowledge to the projects that they have personally curated. They are passionate about what they do, and it makes this school a great place to come every day. Seeing how hard they worked to get where they are today, makes us want to work all that much harder.
The school is located in the heart of the finical district in downtown San Francisco. I can’t think of a better place to learn this industry, and than amongst some of the most reputable tech companies of our generation.
Disclaimer: I did apply to this school but after talking to Kristine their admission officer, I decided not to enroll and I thought it's helpful to help others to make the right decision. They claim to have the best curriculum, but who is teaching it??? No one. Students are supposed to work together and work on projects!!! I can do that for free in meetups and freecodecamp.com and from Google. Assume if you make $70k which is the minimum for web developers, you will pay 17% of $70k = $11.9k every year for 3 years. That's $35.7k!!!
You know when the coding school is a great school when one out of four trustees is Ne Yo!!!!
The Holberton School Curriculum is unique. It s great alternative for Bootcamps ( quite short, and focused on only one technology) and CS College (often too much theoretical, not industry oriented). They offer a 2 year program (9 months on site in SF, then 6 months internship and finally 9 months remote) to trained the next generation of software engineers.
The education is project based, there are no formal teachers. But the students and the team are much closer because there is only 30 students per batch and the projects are peer-reviewed. Moreover they offer something unique: a very strong community of industry experts. Many projects and Meet-ups are given by mentors, giving technical but also professional advices to the students.
This program is not free but the students only have to pay the tuition after the 2 years (after having a job). The mission of the school is clear: allow anyone to become a professional software developer whatever his or her background. It is not a light statement: the three founders of the Holberton School are very driven and have created a great program to help everyone achieve their goal.
The worst admission process, I have tried. I thought it's a rumor that, schools and boot camps admit new students and drop them to keep their acceptance rate low. It helps their prestige. I have made several websites and have CS degree, in the admission process, they asked to make a simple website, which I did but they rejected my application. when I called and asked for feedback, they said they will look into my application and give me a feedback in few days. It has been 2 weeks and they didn't respond. I called them again and they said there is nothing they can do. But I was just asking for feedback!!!!!!
I've been lucky to be a part of the first experimental batch of Holberton school. I had some previous programming experience, but not enough to pursue a career in coding, and certainly not enough to fall in love with programming.
As someone who has been passionate about coding and how computers actually work, I've found that the problem with learning on your own is not that there is no information out there -- the problem is that there is too much information. There are so many resources that it becomes difficult to assess what you need to know. Holberton School has surprised me in cutting through the noise.
From the start, the founders of this program have gotten the fundamentals right: enforcing good learning practices and coding habits. I think it's these fundamentals that make this program unlike anything else out there.
While I personally can speak more to the low-level programming track, my personal experience has allowed me to form a few theories as to why this program is so successful. In my opinion, here are the few key features that I think differentiate the Holberton program:
First, it has a structured learning approach: it tests you and ensures that you are actually learning, as opposed to coding things you don’t thoroughly understand. As soon as your code is being reviewed, the faculty goes to very great lengths to push your code to the limits and find a way to break it. Evidence of your code not being perfect could be evidence of you not learning. Double pointers? INT_MIN / INT_MAX edge cases? If there is a hole in your understanding, it is the goal of the faculty to find it -- and they will create checks and test cases that will fail when running checks against your code. I think this is a big reason why I personally never felt bored and why I never felt unchallenged through this program, even when I pushed to learn more.
Second, I was never challenged so much that I felt that I couldn't overcome each challenge. Even someone without experience can learn from what happens in memory as your code gets compiled by the GCC compiler on a Linux kernel. The teaching assumes no background in CS whatsoever, and yet, supports you with challenges at the more advanced levels of depth that you can get (there are optional “more advanced” tasks, that have the full support of the faculty). How the school has managed to strike this delicate balance -- I don't know. But I think it has something to do with their strong culture of learning, which I think is their third strong point.
The school has a very strong culture of learning, and the way I see it, I think it is due to its spirit of effective communication and cooperation with your peers, coupled with very strong learning fundamentals. These fundamentals include: "don't write any code you don't understand”; “don’t write any code your peers won’t understand”; “write code in a way that your future self will understand”; “understand what you are doing first, and then code later”; “comment your code”; “keep your functions short”; “your code should follow a certain style” (they've even automated a surprisingly robust style code checker -- codenamed "Betty", named after Betty Holberton -- that enforces good program structure and checks to make sure your C code doesn't become a whole mess!)
Fourth, depending on how you look at it, this one can be seen as a con, or as a pro, of the program: the program is young. This means that there can sometimes be minor errors / typos, and other inconsistencies in the tasks and projects. If you decide to look at whether the program and its curriculum is in its "final" form, you will not find that here. At least as of this writing, the curriculum is the aggregate of all the project assignments, and the solutions that its students post on GitHub. While the curriculum is not formally defined, in my opinion, the faculty more than makes up for this; the tasks, the projects, and the learning materials iterate and get more advanced based on feedback from the students. This means that there is a very rapid feedback loop; it is common for projects to get clarified or updated in real time as you work on them (the faculty always notifies you of these changes on Slack though). In fact, you could argue that the culture at Holberton is that there is no "final" form -- learning evolves. I guess it is up to each individual to decide if this is a con or a pro. In my personal practical learning experience, this has been very much a pro.
And fifth, for the last thing, and perhaps also one of the most important, this program teaches you how to learn. How to ask for help. What kinds of questions are “Google-able”. How to look something up without knowing the answer. It gives you that intuition somehow. There is so much to write that I think that it will not be possible for me to cover everything in this review, but I can definitely tell you that this program successfully and effectively tailors education to each student’s background and learning style. In short, this culture of learning has made me fall in love with programming.
To sum it all up in a nutshell, this program aims to give you the learning experience you need to start a career in Computer Science. It my experience so far, it has exceeded my expectations.
Lots of fun; each day is usually dedicated to tackling a project. Achieving the project tasks feels a lot like solving puzzle challenges, and you have peers tackling the same puzzles along side you, so if you get stuck you can start conferring with them. More like "doing" than "studying."
During my time at Holberton I felt ownership over every day, since I had so much freedom about how to approach each project. If you're a self-directed individual, this school might be for you.
Since you spend so much time with your peers, you end up with a strong sense of community that you take with you once you graduate. Your peers serve as your support network.
A few caveats: it helps if you have some familiarity with basic programming conventions when you enter the program (if, else if, else conditions; for and while loops) since those can be hard to grasp at first and the curriculum moves quickly. More vital is basic problem solving skills - if you don't have those, you have to get them down in the first few months, otherwise you'll be stuck with a lot of projects you don't know how to tackle. If you have an instinct to decompose a problem into smaller task, you can identify knowledge gaps to resolve, and you can break down information from the Internet, you should be good.
If you're able to keep up with the curriculum, you'll get trained up to be a successful software engineer, you'll get a deeper understanding of the industry than any bootcamp/college grad, and you'll have a lot of (career) opportunities you wouldn't have otherwise via the mentor network. So go for it if you think the project-based methodology suits you.
Holberton School is an amazing place to learn full stack software engineering - from the fundamentals and low level software engineering to higher level programming. All assignments are project based and there are no traditional teachers. The students are expected to do their own research to learn the material to complete the projects. Instead of formal teachers, students are encouraged to first ask other students for help and teach each other.
Holberton is setting the standard for training new software engineers with a two-year program that can take anyone, no experience required, and make them an impeccable Full-Stack Software Engineer.
I was coding and working with peers on the first day at Holberton. This was a refreshing change for me after years of dreading going to class in public schools where my daily objective was to sit down and listen to a topic I was scarcely interested in. Holberton has overwhelmingly embraced project-based and peer learning and it creates a natural way to learn that I have never experienced before. At Holberton you’ll learn the most from your peers and mentors while working on projects and that will give you a tangible edge when you go to get an internship or job. Having the opportunity to learn from project-based learning with my peers surpasses sitting in a classroom lecture any day.
There are no upfront costs to study at Holberton. The school charges a percentage of your internship salary and your salary once you find a job. You’ll still need to find and afford your own accommodations in or around San Francisco for the duration you are attending the school on site. This was a challenge that I found exceedingly difficult and at times it affected my ability to be at the school because I was looking for a place to live. Holberton has taken a step in the right direction and is working with companies like Google, Accenture, Scality, and CloudNow to help students defray living expenses.
A great thing a new school can do is set themselves up to be able to adapt to what their students need and Holberton is exceeding at doing that. I was in batch 0 that started in January of 2016. Since my batch started, the school has made many improvements to projects based on feedback from students. Additionally, Holberton has worked to improve interactions with experienced mentors in the community. New students are only going to have more opportunities to exceed with Holberton.
TLDR: If you want to be a Full-Stack Software Engineer, the elite program Holberton has to offer is exactly what you need.
The job assistance and job preparation that I saw here was phenominal. Having come from a conventional four-year university that had its own department for job placement, I thought Holberton was way more effective. If you are hoping that attending this school will lead to a job, the work and effort that you invest here will definitely pay off.
I'm a student from Batch 1, which is the second batch from Holberton (since we go by zero index in programming). Also, I'm currently in the second phase of the program, where you get 6 months to either find a job/internship to work in the industry or you can self-study. So I have not completed the program, and am sharing my experiences so far.
The general timeline of the program is:
-> 6 months of self-study or finding an internship/job
-> 9 months of part-time or full-time study in a topic of your choice
Holberton school utilizes a peer learning approach where students learn together and really learn from each other. There are no real instructors, however the staff will often jump in and help out or provide a deeper dive into certain topics. Also, the school has a ton of mentors who you can get in contact with to ask questions, whether it be related to the curriculum or not. This is a very great resource as you'll find that throughout the program, you will come to realize more what you wish to focus on. Since the first 9 months of the curriculum is heavily based on the 3 general topics mentioned above, you don't get a lot of leeway to really focus on what you want to learn. However, knowing the 3 general topics above (I think) is essential to becoming a solid developer.
Depending on how deep you want to dive into the curriculum topics (and the daily exercises/projects), there should be time on the side to study your own things if you wish.
I believe the more you put into the program, the more you get out of it. Just attending the program and participating in it is oftentimes not enough to succeed in the industry. So if you're prepared to dive into the program, and are committed to finding a career in tech, I highly encourage you to constantly challenge yourself, always look to improve your understanding, be open to changes, and adapt to the type of information you receive and don't be stringent in your understandings.
My overall experience was positive. I don't think I would be where I'm at today without my experience at Holberton. I do believe the curriculum and culture of the school could be improved, but as I was only the second batch through the program, they were still improving upon the school.
Another great thing about the school is if you want to improve the curriculum, you can do so. As each new batch goes through the program, the curriculum will likely be improved and iterated upon.
Two years may seem like an eternity, but the first few months have raced by in a flurry of challenging learning experiences that were not just about software and the curriculum set by the founders, but were also personal. I am not the person I was when I started at Holberton School.
Four months ago I was a novice, working alone in my house and struggling to transform online tutorials into real World projects. Today I am surrounded by people on a similar journey, belonging to a class of peers whose collaboration & camaraderie makes learning an enjoyable process.
It is not without its challenges. You have to work hard and study hard and allow yourself to go through the process of growing into your skills. 'Growing pains' are not called pains for nothing. However, because there is so much support from mentors who are industry professionals, we are finding success in our different fields of interest.
Holberton School sometimes also feels like a startup because we're all invested in the success of the school. We're involved in marketing, dev-ops, new innovative projects for the school that are outside the curriculum, and building the community at large.
The idea of becoming a full-stack software engineer can be daunting, and with technology racing at break neck speed, we all worry that our skills will be obsolete in a few years. This is the reason why Holberton School is the investment you want to make. Learning how to learn - a skill that will take you far into an uncertain future.
I was a Tech Recruiter for 4 years before I decided to join Holberton. After getting BSCS I went into recruiting but talking to engineers made me want to get back to it. I knew I probably forgot a lot from school and having no hands on experience wasn't going to help me get a job as engineer right away so I decided to sign up for one of many coding schools or bootcamps we have here in SF. I did quite a bit of research and I'm glad I chose Holberton. And here is why:
First of all, their curriculum. Comparing to many other schools it doesn't focus on just one programming language. From working in the industry I know that you have to be able to learn different languages if need be and if you do that while in school too it just gets you more prepared for once you start working. And you don't only learn how to code. You learn how debug, configure and manage servers and how to deploy applications. They don’t teach that in college. All this is part of being an engineer and if you don't have at least some idea of what any of this is, ramping up once you get a job is going to be so much longer and harder. So you learn a little bit of everything here. Puts a little perspective on what Full Stack actually means. Also the staff takes feedback on curriculum and that is how they improve it with every new batch. It's amazing.
Second: it's not just 3 months. I know myself and I know that learning things in 3 months is not for me. If you think you can learn something and be great at it in 3 months, maybe one of those other bootcamps are for you. After studying CS for 4 years I knew I wasn't going to process everything in 3 months and Holberton offering 2 yr program was exactly what I needed. But don't be fooled and think that these 2 years are going to be easy. It's intense program and you have to work really hard. Everything builds on what you learned previously so it all starts falling into pieces once you have to incorporate it with new topic. But if you don’t keep up it can get you in trouble. You have to be comfortable asking for help. It’s a must!!
Third: Peer Learning Days (PLD) and Reefinery are great. PLDs are giving you the opportunity to catch up if you are falling behind and also help others that might be struggling with something. This is great because when you're helping it makes you realize how much you understand the topic and how well you can explain it. If you can't explain it you probably don't understand it well yet and right then and there you can actually fix that by asking questions because that day is all about learning with your peers. And of course there are always students from previous batches, mentors and staff to help you. But people showing you how to find the answers is the best part about it. Reefinaries are like mock interviews you do with your peers and you go over material previously covered. So you get to check how much you learned because you have to do everything without access to internet. It's how it would be in the real interview so it prepares you for it.
Fourth is community. I have made so many friends here and I know we will be friends long after we are done with school. We work together on projects but we also travel together, run, hike, go out and have fun together. And this is not just with your batchmates but also with students that joined school before and after you.
Fifth is one that was really important to me. It's the payment structure. I know it's hard to be in school for months or years and not earn any money. It's really hard. Believe me. I know. This is where I was considering those 3 months boot camps but then I realized if I pay in advance and I don't like it or I don't get a job that money is gone. And it’s a lot of money. I know you may say that Holberton costs even more. But Holberton takes care of that in a different way. They don't take money until you make money. The way I think about it is that it’s in their interest to train you well and help you get a job. The better they train you, the better you'll get paid and therefore they get paid more and it's win-win. If I make good money I won’t even feel those 17% of my paycheck. But writing a check for thousands of dollars before I even know what I’m getting myself into was scary.
I think I can go on and on with how many things I like about this program. You can always just stop by the school and ask to talk to students in person about their experience. Everyone is super welcoming and open. So stop by and say hi!
I used Course Report to choose the bootcamp I went to and so wanted to write up a review of Holberton School. I was accepted into various Bootcamps, including some that have rigorous application processes, and some that take anyone. I chose Holberton School because of the longer and more diverse technical curriculum the income share agreement (meaning both Holberton and myself are mutual stakeholders in my success), the diversity amongst cultures and gender, the leadership opportunities, location in San Francisco, and because the application process impressed me. Holberton School is more like a trade school vs. a bootcamp. The application is worthwhile even if you do not attend Holberton for all that you could potentially learn, and it also requires a bit of risk taking. It is a mini-snapshot of what the program is like as you have the opportunity to work with peers and build cool projects using linux command line interface. I really like the length of study, which is 9 months intensive preparation, 6 month internship, and then approximately 9 months of full or part-time specialization. So, far the learning experience has been wonderful having like-minded, creative peers to learn with. We are learning Bash shell scripts, C Programming Language, algorithms, memory management, and move onto learn the LAMP stack: Linux, Apache/Nginx, MySQL, Python. At first, I was like, C? What? Why? Isn't this useful for engineers from the 1970's and 1980's? A compiler? huh? But, after doing my research, I have found that C language is everywhere, many think it is a fantastic language not leaving soon, and even Linux, Python and so many many more popular applications are built in C Language.
The education model at Holberton is great. There are many leadership opportunities and it is entirely project based. I came from an education background, and I am absolutely baffled that traditional education systems have not yet discovered how important this model is, or at least if there are teachers that understand this, I am baffled that they don't use this tactic every day or every week? Our peer-learning days give students that understand content the best to teach and learn more about how to explain technology to someone else, instead of sitting board in a lecture that they have all the answers to. We also have a lot of pair-programming opportunities and practice job preparation skills.
Some other peer learning opportunities occur because of how heavily immersed with github.com we are. We also work with Docker and other components of LAMP stack.
The most exciting part of the program has been all the opportunities that I have had to get involved with peers in the industry. I have been to probably about 5 or more major tech conferences in silicon valley since I started at Holberton, and even went to Docker Con in Austin 2017. Coming from Chicago, these experiences are invaluable to me since it would is so challenging to get into Tech shows at Silicon Valley from the MidWest. Finally, it has been wonderful to see my peers get hired as Software Engineers into Tesla, Apple, LinkedIN, Docker, DropBox, Nvidia, and other major companies at the end of their first 9 months. I am 6 weeks away from the end of my first 9 months and am hoping to find a great placement in a company as a Software Engineer.
TL;DR Holberton is an incredibly rewarding but also challenging experience that will whip you into a full-stack software engineer in a short amount of time.
I was in the very first batch of Holberton students, and right from the beginning, it was obvious that the school was something special. From the physical space, to the payment model, to their commitment to diversity and inclusion, everything about it is designed to fulfill its mission of creating high-quality software engineers to fill the serious need in the industry.
To do that, they've done away with the fluff that fills 4-year university programs, teachers, and lectures and created a jam-packed project-based curriculum that forces you to really engage with the ideas and topics you'll actually need on the job. And the curriculum stays relevant - the staff is always taking feedback from students and mentors to see what's working, what's not, what new industry tools and standards are, so that students are really getting the most from their time.
The network of mentors is another distinguishing feature. Guidance from people actually working in the tech industry is invaluable, and Holberton students get it in spades. Some mentors are active through online chat, some give presentations or workshops on their topics of expertise, and others come to the school just to help out. In any case, students get to ask questions and start building those connections right off the bat.
The school environment is also really great. The staff is super supportive, and their passion for the school and students is obvious in everything they do. And the other students, from your batch or the ones above, are possibly your greatest resource. Peer learning is one of the most important aspects of Holberton, and just being surrounded by what's become the Holberton family makes the entire experience that much more enjoyable and rewarding.
Overall, Holberton is a really excellent choice if you're self-motivated, hard-working, and looking to jump into the tech industry, but need a little extra guidance and support. I was able to find a full-time job after only 8 months in the program, so clearly they're doing something right :)
Network of industry experts
Staff and mentors care about students
Projects prepare you well for professional life
Inaugural batch faced a trial and error approach
Being lucky enough to be selected for Holberton School’s first batch, I agree with many reviews of my fellow schoolmates regarding peer and project-based learning. Along with their vast network of experts working in the tech industry, project-based peer learning make up the school’s strengths.
The fact that the curriculum is full-stack (meaning, containing low-level programming, algorithms and data structures, web development, sysadmin and devops projects) is also a great advantage. The majority of the projects we worked on proved quite helpful for my first professional experience in IT; first as an SRE trainee, and now as a developer (I was originally interested in both roles, and later decided to focus on backend development). Some examples of these useful projects include building your own API for a website in the style of AirBnb while storing your data in a MySQL database, using Docker, load-balancing your servers. Do not underestimate the power of C. I believe practicing coding in C makes you a better programmer, or, as John Carmack puts it: “Low-level programming is good for the programmer's soul”.
In my humble opinion, the financial and personal investments to attend Holberton School pay off, as it was surprisingly easy for me to land a job after finishing the first year (at vente-privee.com, a European 3 billion dollar revenue company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vente-privee.com). You should know that I had no experience in programming prior to joining Holberton!
Another positive point is that the staff and mentors do care about the students, you see this consistently as they regularly keep in touch with you (ensuring you ask for help and that you get the help you need, making sure you are ok, and not just projects-wise, also in your personal life ie settling in the bay area).
The only downside I can find is that my batch being the first one, the staff could not have any previous experience with managing this disruptive type of school (which pretty much works like a startup, where everyone is encouraged to bring in new ideas). Consequently, they had to revise and adapt some of the projects that were deemed not very helpful (though one can say that it helped learning either way, and that in the workplace you might also face projects being abandoned or modified along the way). Even that disadvantage had a plus side; being the inaugural batch made us feel special, and the staff certainly took extra care of us!
Holberton School has an amazing vision of fixing the education system. Their curriculum gives you challenging projects that teach you how to fix problems and build software.There are no teachers at Holberton School and the program teaches you how to learn instead of focusing on one specific technology. That makes a huge difference in how we address the projects and how we learn from it. The school highly focuses on peer learning and makes sure that you get the basics right. Their coursework, with plenty of hands-on projects, is just what anyone would need to transform themselves into a full stack software developer.
I am currently a student at Holberton School. In the first year, we covered algorithm, low-level programming, front-end, back-end, sys-admin and devops. In the second year, the program gets more intense and one can choose to focus either on System programming and Algorithms or Web Stack programming. I love the challenging projects and fear to miss the fun in either track and opted for both ;) . On top of those tech tracks, we also train on soft-skills like networking, public speaking and writing which gives us more confidence and also a huge advantage vs tech-only developers. I am hooked by the program!
Coming to the no of opportunities one receives, we get a ton!. In my case, I got a chance to work as one of the data scientists in a project for the NASA Frontier Development Lab 2016 program which was hosted at SETI Institute.
I am a student at this school, and now just because of this school I am working for a big tech firm in the US. Their method of teaching is outstanding, and everyone at this school is super helpful. They don't only just make you a Software Engineer, but also give you full assistance to find a job. Looking back at the time I spent working with the school and on their projects, I would say it was all worth it, and all of that landed me a great job right in the middle of my program.
I have been a student at Holberton for about a year. Before I came to this school, I knew virtually nothing about coding or how an operating system works internally. Now I feel I can confidentially say I possess that knowledge in addition to acquiring the priceless skill of independent learning with a large support system to aid in the process. Holberton's model of learning is palpable in everything that they are from the students to the setup; covered wall to wall in whiteboards and bean bags to lounge in comfortably when writing your code. It is in all these ways and more that Holberton successfully converts ambitious people with little technical knowledge into potential candidates for sought after companies like Apple and Google.
Holberton School is unparalleled in it's curriculum which is focused on prepping it's students to learn the full scope of coding to fully prepare them for a career in the software engineering field. The entire program consists of a two year dual-sided commitment in which you are given the time to grasp not only writing your own code, but in addition fully understanding how the hardware of a computer is able to utilize what you have been taught how to create. The curriculum accomplishes this by starting the students with a low-level language (C) to understand the logic of a program's inner workings. Once students have been able to grasp these concepts, a more complicated syntax of a higher level language (Python) is introduced; this enables the students to understand more thoroughly the mechanics of the web as well as the vast scope of other applications of computer programming. After my first nine months at Holberton I was able to get a job as a Software Engineer at a medical tech company, so it is personally proven that their innovative model of teaching and peer learning truly works. I would deeply recommend Holberton to anyone, regardless of their origins or experience that feels a true passion and desire for a vocation in this field; they will help you cultivate that passion into a life long career.
Full disclosure: I was part of the first experimental batch at Holberton School, which was granted full reprieve from the tuition model.
Overview (lengthy, skip to get to my subjective review if you're more interested in my personal experience than a discussion of the school's model)
This school operates like a Silicon Valley start-up, all the way down to the funding. The school raised venture capital to be able to train students without charging up-front tuition. Instead, the school operates on a deferred payment model where a portion of your salary (17.5% the last I checked) is paid to the school for three years once you obtain your first software engineering job.
As the school touts, there are some positive implications to this payment model. The school only benefits from your enrollment if you are successful, so you can trust they are truly invested in your learning. There is less up-front risk to enrolling, and the model is more accessible to those with less savings who cannot afford to pay tuition for a school until they actually reap the benefits of their training.
That said, 17.5% of your salary is no trivial slice of your salary and earning potential to just hand over. Depending on the bootcamp (which Holberton does not identify as), tuition can cost as little as $2000 for a month-long bootcamp to $18000 (HackReactor), or $60,000 for a 2-year-long program similar to Holberton in length (MakeSchool).
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Let's say you earn a cool $85,000 as your starting salary as a software engineer (lower end in Silicon Valley, depending if you start at a small start-up or larger $$$ company). Ignoring the salary raises you can expect to get within your first few years as a SWE, 17.5% of that salary over three years totals to $44,625. The salary you can expect to take home after taxes is $41,225 (usually ~$56,000 without the 17.5% cut). You can expect to be frugal your first three years as a software engineer if you live in SF, a very expensive city, but it should cover housing and living costs adequately and still let you earn some small savings, according to my calculations. You should do your own, estimating living costs.
Anyway, you might be wondering why you would want to fork over 17.5% of your salary for three years to this school, other than the neat fact that you don't have to pay for the cost of the school up-front, when there are other more cost-effective bootcamps in the range of $3,000-$4,000 out there.
Those bootcamps are usually only one to a few months long. That's long enough to probably learn one framework well and build a functioning web app and ship it. This is a crucial experience that can help you get hired at a start-up. There are definitely people that have been hired successfully out of a bootcamp and have gone on to thrive as programmers.
Unfortunately, a few months at a bootcamp is not really sufficient to build a strong foundation and understanding of software engineering, in my humble opinion. Holberton does not attempt to teach you a single framework but instead aspires to train you to become a versatile full-stack software engineer who can learn new tools + languages easily and debug systems, thanks to a strong foundation and good soft skills.
There are the three main areas Holberton focuses on in their goal of training good full-stack software engineers, which are reflected in the curriculum tracks: low-level, high-level and sysadmin/devops. This means you will learn about how computer programs work at the low-level (such as pointers, memory allocation and typical data structures) by building your own C library from scratch. You will learn about higher-level programming concepts like object-oriented programming and the model-view-controller paradigm, and how APIs work by building them. You will also work on remote servers, learn to use the command line, deploy firewalls and dns servers, and set up databases for your apps.
Holberton actually pitches itself as an alternative to traditional 4-year universities which offers degrees in CS. Unlike universities, where the curriculum is often theory-heavy, taught passively and centered around academia, what you learn at Holberton is highly oriented towards the skills you will need on the job in the industry. There are no instructor-led lectures, other than some live coding sessions; instead, you learn to collaborate with peers and to learn from resources you find on your own to complete projects which are assigned through the school’s intranet. Best -- no student loans.
Onto my subjective review of my personal experience!
I personally found Holberton’s hands-on method of learning to be very engaging. There was always excitement about what we were learning to do. It was a contrast to an Intro to Computer Science class I took in college, which involved a lot more textbook reading and weekly labs where we built small Java programs. That was all right, but nothing thrilling (and was why I opted not to major in CS in college).
One thing I feel that makes Holberton different from any other school is that I felt the founders were personally invested in making sure we were learning to be good software engineers. I feel other bootcamps are fairly impersonal and mostly about generating revenue by training you to be a software engineer. Training good software engineers is a passion of Julien and Sylvain (co-founders of the school), who themselves worked at fancy tech companies (Docker, LinkedIn) and saw the shortage of quality junior talent in the Silicon Valley.
Was I successful after I attended this school? Yes, I think so - I started working a full-time job after nine months of training and was able to adapt to the role quickly. One of the strong advantages of the school is that Julien and Sylvain also had many connections in the tech industry from years of working in it themselves prior to starting the school. As French engineers, they started a global French engineer network called while42 prior to Holberton, and they draw upon the pool of connections they have at companies throughout the Silicon Valley for mentors for the school and job connections for students.
This relates to another important aspect of the school, which is that it strives to teach soft skills in addition to the technical skills needed to be a good software engineer. In addition to the project-based and collaborative curriculum, the school often hosts meet-ups which are open (and free) to the public with Holberton’s mentors. Your social network and ability to work with others are some of the most important assets you have for your career as a software engineer, and the school understands and encourages this.
The strong community feel was one aspect that had a huge impact my experience. The students come from a broad range of backgrounds, thanks to Holberton’s accessible application process (no previous experience necessary, no bars on age) and tuition model. You become very close with the other students at school due to spending so much time at the school, working together. I valued my own batch and several that followed had a decent gender balance (generally around 40:60 female:male), which is atypical of Silicon Valley in general.
Please keep in mind that the curriculum is very intensive, and you will be spending most of your time at school trying to complete projects by deadlines. As much as I enjoyed the projects, I’m susceptible to burnout (having experienced it in college before), and you have to take care to protect yourself from it during this program. It’s all right to take a step back and have some time on the weekend after the first few months -- you will need it to sustain yourself.
Something that deserves to be acknowledged is that students have dropped out of the program or decided to repeat the curriculum when they could not keep up with the pace. Julien and Sylvain’s earnest goal is to train anyone to be a programmer as long as they have the drive and collaborative mindset, regardless of prior experience. However, being able to adjust to the unfamiliar ways of thinking for programming can be a challenge and require substantial time and practice in some cases.
It’s definitely easier if you have are familiar with the thinking required for math and science subjects. If you feel these are weak subjects for you, I suggest trying to familiarize yourself with programming a bit in advance with the abundance of online or local resources available. It’s not impossible if you don’t, but it will be harder. Be prepared to ask for help when you need it, and to learn how to problem solve without giving up!
Other considerations -
You will need to be able to handle the cost of living in the Bay Area for the duration of the program if you are moving. This may require savings and budgeting.
The school is still fairly new (close to 2 years at time of writing), and the founders/staff are refining the curriculum and resources available with the start of each batch. Ideally, they will be able to assist with the cost of living or relocating to the Bay Area of the school one day, but this is a future goal you will need to inquire about to find out the current status.
Would I have attended Holberton School if it were not free for my batch? Probably not, for reasons totally unrelated to the quality of education. I come from a low-income background and am quite financially risk-averse, so even though the tuition is not charged up-front, I wouldn’t be able to tolerate both the cost of relocating to SF and the subsequent salary cut without additional resources or scholarships.
I might have ended up going to School 42, a free school in Fremont, because of these reasons. However, the culture at School 42 and Holberton School are far different (theirs is more of an elitist sink-or-swim hands-off model, and the gender balance is terrible in comparison), and I personally vastly prefer the education, support and community feel that Holberton provides. As it is, I lucked out and am super grateful for everything I have gained from attending Holberton.
My advice is to do your research, look into all the various boot-camps and alternatives out there, and find the one that best fits your personal preferences in terms of learning experience. Finally, balance that consideration with your needs regarding length of program and cost. Good luck!
The curriculum is amazing! I love how the school is all project-based, makes me learn the material better and faster. The staff is a little distant, but everything else is great! Would highly recommend attending here if you struggle with learning programming on your own.
By far the worst place to go. No lectures, they don’t teach you shit and you end up in a income shared agreement without learning jack shit. You are better off using Udemy, LinkedIn learning,Lynda, YouTube and just books on coding. Again emphasis on THEY DONT TEACH YOU SHIT. they want you to research everything and do it on your own. You can do that from the comfort of your home. This is the biggest scam out there. Avoid this so called “school”.. I left in the middle of it all and I wish I left sooner instead of waisting my time at this shit hole.
My wife and I moved from Indiana to California so I could be part of the first 'batch' at Holberton School. I had a strong interest in moving from a help desk role to software engineering. However, I needed to go from tinkering around with code skills I had learned on my own to being able to produce production-ready code. Holberton offered the chance to connect with and learn from mentors working for companies such as Google, LinkedIn, Dropbox, and Salesforce. I took the leap, and I can honestly say that I have not regretted taking that risk. Holberton provides challenging projects whether you are just getting started or have learned a thing or two on your own. The goal is to learn how to learn with other students in a fast-paced, growing industry. Because of the experience I gained at the school, I work for a major tech company in Silicon Valley. It's crazy to think how much has changed in just under two years.
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After working in the video gaming industry for years and earning a computer science degree, David tried to pivot into general software engineering, but found his programming knowledge lacked breadth. He enrolled at Holberton School in San Francisco, and realized the missing link for him was soft skills. David tells us how learning to collaborate with others, communicate his ideas, and explain his thought processes at Holberton helped him land an internship at Facebook!
Tell me about your pre-Holberton story. What were you doing before you decided to learn to code?
Before Holberton, I worked in the video game industry. I originally went to school for landscape architecture, but that didn’t work out. I first learned to code through my coworkers. I started out as a video game QA tester then moved into design and production work. I’ve worked on games like Shovel Knight, StarCraft 2, Diablo 3, Tomb Raider, and City of Heroes. During my time on City of Heroes, an engineer introduced me to coding by updating an Excel VBA script that converts a spreadsheet into game data. It was a lot of fun.
While I worked at Blizzard, I went back to school and earned a degree in computer science. Eventually, I got a job as a gameplay programmer. I got to create games using the Unreal Engine and C++. I really love video games, but I learned the hard way that working in video games is not necessarily the best way to pursue my passion. So I decided to separate myself from working in video games, and move into the tech industry.
If you learned to code on the job and have a computer science degree, why did you need a program like Holberton School?
I tried to make the transition from games to tech, but I found that I didn't have a lot of practical experience. Video games are a subset of tech, but the problem with video game programming is that it requires a very concentrated set of skills. The core languages are still C/C++, C#, and Python. But to work more generally in the tech industry, you need a much more broad knowledge of technologies and frameworks.
In my computer science degree, I memorized a lot of theoretical facts. But to be honest, I learned very little actual programming to make usable code. For the technology sector, you need to understand databases, frameworks, different languages, and deployment – which I had no idea about, and no experience with. I needed to find a school that allowed me to get this broad perspective as soon as possible.
What made you choose Holberton over a coding bootcamp in San Francisco?
I considered App Academy, Coding Dojo, Hack Reactor, and General Assembly. All the programs were similar, but they were three to four-month programs and I wasn't convinced that I could learn enough about coding in that amount of time, even with my background.
I first came across Holberton School on Twitter. Stephanie Hurlburt often retweets people who are looking for junior level development positions. One retweet was of a Holberton student saying, “Here’s what I worked on,” with a link to her Github. I took a look at the GitHub and was impressed with what she had learned at Holberton. I did my research, and decided Holberton sounded like a good program for me.
Compared with coding bootcamps, Holberton School was a longer program, and it had a portion dedicated to DevOps and SRE topics, which was my primary interest. That was the selling point for me. Also, Holberton offers an income sharing agreement – any school that ties your eventual success with their financial well-being, in my opinion, is a great choice. The coding bootcamps wanted me to pay up front and I didn’t know if they would help me get a job. I started Holberton in September 2017.
What was the application and interview process like for you – was it hard to get in even though you had a coding background?
The coding portions of the application were straightforward. But Holberton really emphasizes soft skills, so parts of the application focused on soft skills. For example, I had to make a YouTube video to introduce myself – that was a very big hurdle for me. I don't usually like to publicize myself; it took me a week to get the nerve to do it, then I recorded it over and over again. On top of that, we were expected to be active in forums and help other applicants with problems, which was a strange experience for me at first. Before Holberton, I was used to just typing on my computer by myself. Communicating with others was a long, arduous process that forced me out of my comfort zone. Holberton has a multidisciplinary approach to software engineering.
What was your cohort like at Holberton School? Who did you learn with?
We had around 24 people and the cohort was extremely diverse. There were women, different sexual orientations, and different races. We had yoga teachers, people who were new to programming, and some who had coding jobs before, like me. We also had people with backgrounds in horticulture, bioengineering, chemical engineering, political science, and communications. We also had some kids straight out of high school.
As someone who was weak in the soft skills area, it was very interesting learning with different people and watching them explain and teach things. One problem with learning how to program online is that you may not understand how to solve certain problems without knowing various approaches to the problem. But at Holberton School, there are people who can explain material in very different ways that I would have never thought of. It was very helpful to see so many ways to perceive a problem and solution.
What was the learning experience like at Holberton School?
There is an online platform that gives us core concepts that we should understand before we move on to an actual project. I spent the first half of the day just reading the material. Holberton aims to teach students over the long term. In the beginning, they were easy on us and gave us fairly good resources. But as time goes on, they start pushing us deeper into the water. They take away information and throw us some red herrings. They are encouraging us to learn how to learn. Exercises are very well-designed and they test the basic fundamental concepts. We had projects to do every day. Later we had big milestones like creating an app; there were multiple deadlines over the course of a week and it got very hectic.
The first three months were quite vigorous. Every week, we had one or two Peer Learning Days (PLDs). We would split into groups of four or six, discuss what we learned that day, ask questions and discuss concepts. If someone didn’t understand something, or had concerns, they would voice them, people would listen, and try their best to answer. It was very open and collaborative, which is what I was looking for. That's how we progressed our learning in computer science topics.
If you needed help with a problem, who did you ask?
Holberton CEO Julien Barbier has what he calls “the framework” for tackling a problem. The first thing you do is read. Then when you have a question, you read again and ask yourself why. Read all the error messages. If you still can't figure it out then you Google it. Then after researching the problem, you’re encouraged to ask a cohort mate. At that point, 95% of all problems are solved, at least for me. But if anything harder comes up, you can extend your question to senior students from the previous cohorts who are still around. We have a bunch of mentors usually lurking around as well, so there's always someone who can give you an answer. If that doesn't work, you can always ask staff – the staff members were amazing.
What was your favorite project that you built at Holberton School?
My favorite project was building an interpreter in pure C. It was called The Monty Interpreter. I basically rebuilt a mini version of Python. I worked by myself because I wanted to make sure that I understood what was going on. So I took it upon myself and challenged myself to finish this project with minimal help. I know that sounds counterintuitive to how I learned everything, but to me, it was important that I could do this myself. I found I could, and that was a turning point for me. It paid off – in one of my engineering interviews, the interviewer was very impressed that I built an Interpreter.
How did Holberton help prepare you for job hunting?
Sylvain, one of Holberton’s co-founders, is very active when it comes to helping us get jobs. He is always actively looking for excellent meetups and partners, he is in touch with lots of engineers in the industry who are hiring, and he’ll send out our resumes to various companies. Holberton School holds a talent fair too, where I met cool companies like Change.org and NIO, the electric car company.
I received a lot of help from staff with my resume, cover letter, and negotiation strategies. Holberton School also had portions of the course called Refineries, for job interview prep. A Holberton staff member would ask us behavioral questions, technical questions, and give us whiteboarding problems. I found whiteboarding very difficult, but via practice, I became better at it. Again, the team is amazing at Holberton. In all honesty, the career guidance is one of the strongest aspects of Holberton School. The only things you have to do on your part is practice everything they taught you, and be actively looking.
How did you find your role at Facebook and what was the job interview process?
Sylvain posted the Facebook internship in our jobs portal and encouraged us to apply. The initial application was an essay format for applicants to explain how our nontraditional backgrounds could help Facebook. Facebook reached out to me for an initial screening interview. I passed that, then did an online two-hour HackerRank challenge. After that, I had a three-hour onsite interview with an engineer, a production manager, and a senior engineer.
The recruiter followed up with me on the following Monday saying, "We'll get back to you in a month.” But then he asked me, "Do you have any offers?" I told them I did have an offer from another company in Silicon Valley. Facebook called me two weeks later with an offer.
I had been job hunting for a just over a month. I got very lucky. Sylvain and the Holberton staff are so aggressive with the job search, so I tried to be as aggressive as them in terms of constantly applying, getting out there, and learning at the same time. In my case, it paid off.
What is your role at Facebook? What are you working on?
I am starting on September 17th as a Production Engineer Intern at Facebook. It is a hybrid role between Assistant Engineer and a Software Engineer. When users sign on, I need to be able to help scale and support the infrastructure that Facebook uses for all four of their major products: WhatsApp, Messenger, Facebook, and Instagram. For my actual role, I don't know which team I'm going to be on. My best guess is a rotational style where I help each of the teams.
Facebook has a coding bootcamp for new hires, which is not about teaching us how to code, but more about teaching the standards and Facebook's code base. I will probably learn a lot because Facebook has a lot of custom proprietary software. For example, RocksDB is based on LevelDB, but they wrote a lot of it for their own needs.
In addition to everything you've learned at Holberton, how do you think your previous background and your CS degree were useful in landing this job?
I have skills in the chaotic nature of software, I can wear multiple hats, I’m versatile, and I can solve problems as they happen. My experience in video games showed me that you often can’t stick to a plan because plans always fall apart. So being able to adapt on the fly while still making good, fast, efficient software is something that I learned how to do.
My CS degree also helps because holding a bachelor's degree is perceived to be proof that you had the discipline to finish four years of study. In terms of theoretical underpinnings, my degree did likely help in that sense, but Holberton School really gave me the combination of skills – the theory and the practice – to make actual software.
Looking back over the last few years, would you have been able to get this role at Facebook if you hadn't gone to Holberton?
Even in retrospect, I think it's a clear no. Even if I had found a free website with the same learning material as Holberton, I still would not have gotten to where I am today, mainly because I didn't realize the importance of soft skills. Holberton School pounded that concept into me.
Previously when I would whiteboard, I simply solved the problem and thought that was enough. I wouldn't vocalize my thoughts. However, when you’re interviewing for a job, that is the worst possible thing you can do because interviewers don’t know what you're thinking. Explaining how you're solving a problem, no matter what degree you have, is something you have to practice. If you don't practice that, I'm very confident that you will fail every interview. Over nine months at Holberton, I had a chance to practice my soft skills. So no, I would not have been able to land my job at Facebook without Holberton.
Once you start this job, how are you going to stay involved with Holberton School?
We still have the Slack channel, where I can message the staff, who are awesome and get back to you quickly. I'm quite close with various cohort mates, and we hang out outside of school. Being at Facebook in Menlo Park, I can’t be in San Francisco every day, but I plan to go in a few times a week because there are a lot of great meetups up there. And because meetups are close to Holberton, I'll probably stop by Holberton as well.
Holberton offers an optional final 9-months of the program after your internship. Are you planning to do that?
Yes, I plan to do it part-time. I am very interested in the new AR/VR track mainly because of my video game background. The next cohort for Year 2 starts in September. So I'll either start in September or I'll wait until January 2019.
What advice do you have for other people who are thinking about doing a program like Holberton to launch their software development career?
Look for a program like Holberton School. Although Holberton School is one of the more expensive options, the fact that they tie their own financial success to student success, is the reason I said yes. If I didn't find a job then I wouldn't pay anything. You should see how energetic Sylvian is when it comes to the job finding portion – it gives you a lot of hope.
You should find a program that really emphasizes soft skills. My ability to explain my thought process, and how I solve a problem is what got me the job at Facebook. Also, make sure that the program has a very strong curriculum with data structures and algorithms because you will see those in almost every job interview.
Then if you do go to Holberton, it's very important to buy into the culture. We had a few students who were quiet, dismissive, or didn't want help – there's no point in choosing Holberton School if you’re going to be that way. Holberton’s strength is in the Holberton way of collaborative learning. If you don't like that collaborative learning style, then I would advise against Holberton School because frankly, there are programs that are faster and cheaper.
After almost 30 years working in restaurants and agriculture, Larry Madeo wanted a career that used his brain rather than his back. He built up his Excel skills and soon shifted his goals towards software engineering. Larry moved from rural Wisconsin to San Francisco to attend Holberton School and hasn’t looked back. Larry tells us about the Holberton application process, being the oldest student in a very diverse class, and how Holberton prepared him for his new job as a DevOps Engineer! Larry also has great advice for other later-stage career changers – read on!
What were you up to before you decided to go to Holberton School?
I'm what you would call a career changer. I was one of the older students at Holberton School, so I have a lot of history. I dropped out of college, I worked in restaurants, and I worked a lot in the agriculture sector, picking fruit and planting trees.
But I decided that my brain might last longer than my back, so I wanted to get a job using my brain. I took a couple of accounting classes at a local technical college and then got a job at a company in Wisconsin doing Excel spreadsheet work. It was good to get into an office job, but there wasn't a path for advancement into a more technical role.
Why did you want to get into software engineering?
At my Excel job, I had the opportunity to improve processes and make things more efficient. But I realized that I would need more technical skills to do things that I knew were possible but I didn't know how to do yet.
It seemed to me that software engineering is a field that empowers you to really change things. Every single company has some technical infrastructure now, and I wanted to be a part of it.
Did you consider teaching yourself how to code? Why choose a coding program?
I thought about a lot of things. I was aware of MOOCs (massive open online courses) on websites like Coursera and edX. I took a couple of really good courses through MIT on edX focused on Python, and that got me moving forward.
I also started volunteering at a local radio station which needed technical help, and that was a great learning experience. But I didn't feel like my skills were progressing fast enough. I felt like I needed to be around fellow students to accelerate my progress.
What stood out to you about Holberton School over other bootcamps?
I was looking to learn on a budget, which is why those free MOOC classes were appealing. I liked the idea of bootcamps but I was dubious about a course that only lasted 14 weeks. I wanted something more in-depth.
When I stumbled upon Holberton School, everything on their website made sense to me, and I saw that their course lasted longer – two years. Their school is only successful if students are successful because tuition was paid via an income sharing agreement. The higher my salary and the more successful I was in finding a job, the more they get paid.
What was the Holberton School application process like – did you find it difficult?
It was actually like a quiz or a game. It started off with some clever little questions and at each stage, you could pass or fail; you either pass or you don't. After a few stages, you realize that you’re building a whole website remotely on a terminal. To me, it was fun.
As I went through the stages, I was able to interact with other applicants. I knew that Holberton was looking for team players, so I reached out to ask for and give advice.
When I passed the final online test, I was invited to an interview by phone or in-person. I could have done it by phone, but I thought, "I really want to look these people in the face and see what the school looks like." So I flew out to San Francisco to interview on site.
What was the transition to San Francisco like?
I'd lived in large cities in the past. It was a change moving from rural Wisconsin to San Francisco, but overall I found people to be pretty friendly in San Francisco. It was a matter of trying to make my expenses/finances work in the most expensive city in the universe. But the deferred tuition was a key part of my decision – that helped me keep my expenses in line.
Once you got to Holberton and started the program, what were the people in your cohort like – was it diverse?
The school was highly diverse. There was nearly an even mix between males and females, and there were people of various nationalities and ethnicities. Honestly, I really enjoyed that – let’s just say that there’s not much diversity in rural Wisconsin.
There were a lot of people in their 20s and 30s, fewer in their 40s, and then me – I turned 50 since I’ve been in San Francisco. But I really appreciated that my fellow students treated me like one of them, because it's possible to get into a situation with a bunch of young people who might offhandedly write you off as the “old guy.” But honestly, that just did not happen. I think there’s a give and take of appreciating the diversity we have at Holberton.
What was the learning style at Holberton?
Assignments were released at midnight on an internal website that only students had access to. On the website there is a list of high-level concepts that you should understand by the time you're done with the assignment, and links to online resources that you can use to learn what you need to know to do the assignment. Many of the assignments were one-day assignments, so each morning we’d see what had been released at midnight, then work on completing the project by midnight that day. There are also larger group projects which might be a week long, where we learned about collaboration.
We were encouraged to collaborate and we were indoctrinated in the Holberton method when we needed help. First, read the documentation. Second, attempt to try to solve the problem yourself, and if you still can’t figure out a problem, then reach out to a classmate. When you ask for help from a classmate, you should be very specific about what you’ve already tried. This method encourages us to basically teach ourselves and then reach out to classmates. Sometimes everyone is confused, and that’s when we might escalate to ask a senior student from a previous batch or reach out to one of the staff at school.
We were also sometimes assigned to write blog posts. Technical writing is a very important part of software engineering and actually, I impressed companies where I interviewed because I included a link to some of my blog posts in my resume.
How did Holberton prepare you for job hunting?
The Holberton curriculum provides you with a very applicable skill set to use to compete against other job applicants who may have four-year CS degrees. I learned things in the first week at Holberton that were applicable when I was doing technical interviews.
We were encouraged to network because that's really an important part of finding a job. San Francisco is crawling with meetups where you can actually meet working software engineers. I was able to create my own connections, and I actually got my job because I networked with someone who said, “Give me your resume and I'll let the hiring manager know about it."
Holberton School also has industry connections and would tell us about companies who were hiring, and offer to put us in touch. It’s a great help to have a referral when you apply for a job.
Congratulations on your job! What is the role and where are you working?
I'm scheduled to start on July 9 as a Cloud Infrastructure Engineer at a company in San Mateo called Snowflake. Snowflake provides a data warehouse in the cloud. I'm going to learn some tools to automate the deployment of virtual machines (and whatever else they ask me to do)! This role falls in the realm of DevOps, which to me is the modern iteration of what a SysAdmin used to do.
How did Holberton School prepare you for working in DevOps?
By the end of our first nine months at Holberton, we had been exposed to many parts of web development – front end, back end, full stack, and DevOps. If someone's interested in getting involved in DevOps, then I really don't know a better place to get your training than Holberton. After nine months, you will be the highly familiar with the Linux command line, and you'll be well trained using C, which is a low-level building block for so many things. You will also be very good at Python, which is one of the most popular scripting languages to automate DevOps tasks, and you will have done actual troubleshooting of misconfigured virtual machines.
To get into DevOps, you need to know a combination of SysAdmin topics plus programming – and Holberton provides that. It's really incredible and I think that there's going to be increased demand for people who can work in DevOps. I think that Holberton prepared me well and I'm just tickled pink about it.
Do you think your past experience in Excel (and even doing work in agriculture before that) is going to be useful in this new career as in DevOps?
I worked in a corporate environment for five years, so I have insight into how offices work. I’ve learned how to not to step on people's toes in an office environment and that was valuable.
Then also having an agricultural background, I know what hard work is (even though physical and mental hard work are different). A person coming into the software engineering field needs to be prepared to work hard. I put in long hours at Holberton School and I expect that, especially in the beginning at my job, I'm going to work hard to train myself up.
What was the interview process like for your DevOps job at Snowflake?
I was applying for a position that wasn't even advertised – Snowflake advertised a position for a senior Site Reliability Engineer (SRE) and once I talked to one of their employees, he told me that Snowflake was actually looking for a junior SRE as well. That points to the importance of networking – there are a lot of junior positions that companies try to fill through their network rather than advertising the job.
Once I applied, an internal recruiter called me and I had an opportunity to sell myself, and discuss my skills and background. Soon after that, the recruiter scheduled a time to for me to talk on the phone with the hiring manager. I wasn't asked technical questions – it was more informal – then they arranged for me to do an online screen test with an engineer from the team. That went well and the internal recruiter invited me to an onsite interview.
The onsite interview involved six or seven separate interviews over the course of seven hours. Each interview had a technical component, some whiteboarding and time to get to know each other. I was very nervous, but I felt that I represented my skills as well as I could. A couple of days later I got the callback and they offered me the job.
Well done! Holberton offers a 9-month track after an internship where you continue studying – do you plan on doing that?
There are two ways that you can complete the last nine months of Holberton. One is to pursue one of their tracks on my own schedule. Or my supervisor can tell Holberton about what I’ve been learning and that I’ve fulfilled the requirements to complete the program. As a student in good standing at Holberton, I would have access to all their advanced study tracks.
Do you have advice for other folks making a later-stage career change by going through a program like Holberton?
I'll try to mention a couple of factors that would help an older student. It is good to be young at heart and to not have the attitude that you're entitled to deference because you're senior in age. There will be a lot of people who are younger than you, but “senior” to you in terms of skills. Respect goes to the person who has the most knowledge and who can most graciously share that knowledge. You need to be okay with that.
Also during your time at Holberton, it’s best to set the whole rest of your life to the side during that nine-month period. If you have a family, it's going to be more challenging; it just depends what your external obligations are.
Also as a word of encouragement, remember that career changers have some insight into how the world works. You can use your experience to your advantage. And whatever advantage you have – make use of it.
Bobby Yang was no newbie to tech when he arrived at Holberton School – he had freelanced as a WordPress developer in high school, dropped out of a CS degree to work as a front end developer, and launched his own startup. But Bobby soon realized that he needed to deepen his grasp on computer science fundamentals, and joined Holberton School’s two-year coding program in San Francisco. Bobby tells us why the learning style at Holberton School suited him better than college, what motivated him through the 13-hour days, and how he turned his internship at Wonder Workshop into a full-time software engineering job!
Describe your education and career background.
I was interested in software engineering throughout high school; one Spring Break, my dad offered to pay me a few thousand dollars to build his acupuncture website instead of hiring someone else. I taught myself by watching videos and asking questions on forums. That was my first experience building a website – I liked having a challenge and problem solving to meet that goal. I used WordPress for that site, found a part-time job as a remote WordPress developer, and that got me intrigued in computer science.
I went to CU Boulder to study computer science in college. During the summer, I interned at a day trading software company called NinjaTrader. While I was interning, I realized that what I was learning at school was not relevant to what I was learning at work, so I dropped out of college after my second year and started working full-time at NinjaTrader.
After NinjaTrader, I started a company called Perch with a peer designer I met at a hackathon. Perch was a smart seat that told you about your posture; but because of my limited knowledge in both software and hardware, we couldn't get too far. We came up with a simple proof of concept MVP, but decided to put it on hold. Later we both moved together to SF and still hang out a lot :)
It sounds like you had a lot of experience building websites before Holberton School – why did you need a coding program?
Did you research other coding software engineering programs? What stood out about Holberton?
I applied to Holberton, App Academy, and Hack Reactor. I got through the interview processes, and I was about to start Hack Reactor when I found Holberton School on Course Report. When I saw that Holberton School was two years long (longer than bootcamps) and that the curriculum began with very fundamental computer science lessons, I thought it was a better fit.
I did like how Holberton School allows you to pay tuition after you find a job, but I also had side freelance gigs and money saved. So I could be a little bit flexible on tuition price.
How was the Holberton School interview process for you? Did you feel like it was challenging?
During the interview process, they say take your time and spend one to two weeks completing it. I did it in one day. Holberton School’s next cohort started in a month and a half so I LinkedIn messaged and tweeted the co-founder, Sylvain, asking to get into the next cohort. A day later, they responded to my application. The whole interview process took about a week from beginning to finish.
Do you have any tips on how to ace the interview?
How many people were in your cohort at Holberton? Was your class diverse?
Tech is cool because your background doesn’t matter – if you're willing to put in the work, you can totally do it. We had around 30 people in our cohort and the class was almost 50% men and 50% women so it was really diverse in gender. There were also diverse ethnicities and backgrounds. Not a lot of people came in with tech experience – most were coming from different industries. And I was the second youngest in my cohort at the time at 21.
Tell me about a typical day at Holberton School. What was the learning experience like compared to your university experience?
I would say Holberton definitely matched my learning style better than a university. Everyone who was there wanted to be there, but I can't say that for everyone in my college classes. Some people were in class because of their parents, or because of their friends.
Being around people who wanted to be there made me want to learn more and be better at what I do. I think that was probably the most helpful aspect for me, being surrounded by people who were really motivated, pushing themselves, and really learning.
In terms of course load, I would say Holberton School is more difficult than college. Most people who were at Holberton School had no prior experience, so it was very rigorous. Even though I had prior knowledge, I would still find myself at school for 13 hours a day. It moves really fast.
How did you get through those 13 hour days?
Both my parents have traditional Chinese values. So they pushed me really hard to learn things when I was younger. They gave me extra homework to learn more, which, now looking back, I'm very grateful for. If I'm not passionate about something, I won't push myself to do anything, so I'm glad that they were there pushing me and making me a better person by making me learn more.
The fact that my parents pushed me helped me set the bar higher. Now that I really love what I do, I can't slack off. I hold myself to an even higher bar than my parents did.
How do you learn at Holberton School? Are there teachers or mentors? Are there lectures?
Holberton School had a peer learning process. To really understand a topic, you need to be able to teach it to someone and that was pushed at Holberton. Knowing the material in my head was much different than being able to vocalize it. This process helps me in the workplace because when I run into an issue, I can describe the issue and ask for help.
There were four Holberton staff members whom I would go to for help. Holberton School has a hierarchy in place for students to find help. First, you try to figure out yourself, then you can try research on Google or Stack Overflow. If you can't figure it out, ask a peer. If you still can't figure it out, ask another peer. There’s a whole process before you get to the point where you need to ask one of the staff members. This was helpful for me because if I didn’t know the answer, nine times out of ten, one of my classmates would know. There was a lot of communicating with our peers so my interaction with the staff was limited.
What was your biggest challenge at Holberton School?
My biggest challenge at Holberton School was balancing school with my existing life. Because it was so rigorous, there wasn't too much time for my own projects. Going to school and freelancing at the same time was the most difficult part for me.
Tell me about your final project at Holberton School. What did you build?
I've always been interested in developer tools and things that help other people do what they do. I went to a talk where a company was going over how they did their deployment process and I thought it was super interesting. So I tried to build something similar.
For my final project, I built a continuous integration platform. These are tools that help streamline the process as you deploy code. The platform automatically builds, runs the test, and deploys it. The platform allows you to do daily deployments instead of weekly or monthly deployments, or you can even do deployments by commit. That way, you can get features out faster, you can listen to your users, and fix bugs with faster iterations.
The main technology I used was Docker. The platform creates a Docker container for each project, and then when you make a commit and rebuild again, it uses the same Docker container. So there are all these live containers just waiting to be used instead of the other way around. There are a lot of continuous integration systems but this cuts down on your deployment time.
Even though you had technical experience before Holberton School, was this a challenging project for you?
Definitely. I chose to write the project in a different language than that was taught at Holberton School. Once you get the foundations that Holberton teaches you, it's not difficult to expand into different languages, because all programming language basics are the same. Using a language that I hadn’t really worked with before was challenging. Planning was also challenging, but Holberton really helped me prepare by using whiteboards to write out algorithms. Sitting down, thinking about pieces, and drawing everything out really helped.
We read that you were chosen to be an EdSurge Independent Fellow while you were at Holberton. What does that involve?
I was in a cohort of a lot of very knowledgeable peers from all different backgrounds, all with a common passion: to improve education. We all believed that the current state of education (especially education in the United States) was less than ideal, and we all had various and sometimes conflicting ideas on how education could improve. It was an honor to be able to pick the brains of the people in my cohort and it really helped me understand what other people thought on education.
How did Holberton School prepare you for the job search?
Holberton School has the attitude that they don’t give you a job, you have to work for it and find it yourself. Holberton gives you the connections and everything you need to do that, but the work is up to you to do, which I 100% agree with.
During my cohort, the Holberton team was still iterating on the job search portion, but they gave us interview prep resources, interview book suggestions, and professional connections.
Did you participate in the internship portion at Holberton School or did you go right into your new job?
I did the internship portion and that internship actually turned into a job. I spent four months interning at Wonder Workshop, and then just last month, they offered me a full-time position.
Congratulations! Tell us about the company, your role there, and what technologies you are using.
Wonder Workshop makes a suite of robots that help teach kids how to program. They hired me because they are starting to pivot towards schools and educators as opposed to general consumers. We’re moving away from selling the robots at Target or Walmart, and are now really targeting schools.
I'm working on the platform that teachers and students will use in schools to program the robots. On the front end, we are using React; on the back end, we're using Scala.
Could you have reached the level that you're at now without Holberton School?
I definitely don't think so. I'm more prepared to learn infrastructure, learn languages, and get acclimated with the code base a lot faster because of Holberton.
What advice do you have for people thinking about making a career change or upskilling with a coding school?
Work hard. The best engineers that I've talked to are the ones who worked really hard at it. You get out of a software engineering program what you put into it. With coding programs like Holberton School, there's structure and dedicated time that you won't get when you learn part-time or by yourself. So take advantage of that time and work really hard. Give it your all!
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After studying psychology and criminal justice, Max Johnson found himself living paycheck-to-paycheck and jumping between jobs as a mental health therapist, delivery driver, and physical trainer. He wasn’t satisfied and wanted a more viable career path. So he took a risk and drove across the country from New Jersey to San Francisco to attend Holberton School. Max tells us how diverse his cohort was, how the Holberton School team supported him when he was struggling, and how he landed a junior engineering role at J.Crew!
What were you up to before Holberton School?
I studied criminal justice and psychology while on a basketball scholarship at Saint Augustine’s College in North Carolina. When I graduated, I couldn't find a job right away. I eventually became a mental health therapist for people with disabilities like schizophrenia and bipolar disorders, but I lost that job. I then became a potato chip delivery driver and I coached basketball and did physical training. I was living paycheck-to-paycheck, hopping from job to job, and it wasn't satisfying. I needed more money to survive.
What made you think, "Okay, I think I should become a software developer"?
I had always wanted to major in computer science but my college didn't offer that option. After losing my job, I knew I needed to make a change in my life. I thought about my future and whether, when I turn 50 and have a family, my current path would still be viable. What I was doing was more of a side hobby. I needed to do something where I was always learning because I love learning.
So I thought about either becoming a software engineer or a dentist. People say, "Do what you love," but I loved a lot of stuff, especially learning. In software engineering, there's always something new or challenging to learn. It seemed like the best direction for me, and I'm extremely happy with my choice and my future.
What made you want to learn how to code with a college alternative?
I saw coding bootcamps in my research and felt that the model would match my learning style. And actually, I used Course Report quite a lot to look at different coding schools. Most bootcamps are around three months, but I didn’t think that was the best fit for me so I looked at longer courses. I thought about going back to college for computer science, but those programs mainly teach you theory – they don't teach you how to program.
I applied to a one-year-long coding school and didn’t get accepted. I then did the application process for Holberton School and got accepted.
What stood out to you about Holberton School?
First of all, I was broke. The deferred payment was a big plus because I would not have been able to do the program without it.
When I found out about Holberton School, I read all about the program and graduate stories, and it seemed like a great school and opportunity. I didn’t expect to get into Holberton because I knew there was a lot of competition. And even though I didn’t have much money, when I got accepted, I knew I had to make it work. I packed everything in my car, and I drove across the country to San Francisco from New Jersey, and I haven't looked back since.
What was the Holberton School application and interview process like?
When I applied, Holberton School asked me to create a website and write an essay about why I wanted to attend. Then I had to make a one-minute-long video presentation about myself and what I wanted to bring to Holberton. After that, I got invited for a face-to-face interview, it could be through Skype or on site, where I did a coding challenge.
To be honest, I completely bombed that coding challenge because my nerves got the best of me. Looking back, it was the easiest thing, but at the time I was nervous. I think what really got me into Holberton School was my passion for learning, determination, and persistence.
Holberton School aims for their application process to create more diverse cohorts. Was your cohort diverse in terms of career background, race, and age?
I started Holberton in October 2016, and oh my goodness time flies! Some people came from computer science backgrounds and some, like myself, knew nothing about coding. Others came from schools like Yale, MIT, and Stanford, and a few were college dropouts. I'm African-American, and there were three African-American students, but one dropped out. In terms of age, some people were 18, others were in their 50s – the oldest person was 56.
There was a good mix of men and women in my first class. But I switched cohorts because I was having some trouble, and that class was about 80% women, and 20% men. That class really gave women a chance to shine, and they were some of the smartest women I’ve ever met. I don't know how the application process works in terms of their algorithms, but it works well according to my knowledge. Holberton really pushes diversity.
Tell me about your learning experience. What was a typical day like?
I was one of the students who really struggled throughout the course. My typical day was to get to school around 8:30 or 9am and be there until 10pm. (I did sometimes go to the gym to get a break from staring at my computer all day.) There aren't any teachers at Holberton School, so it’s almost like school and a job at the same time. Holberton gives you a bunch of assignments and basically, you have to figure them out on your own. Well, not entirely on your own, you work with your classmates. Holberton allows you to learn by doing, which was a great way for us to learn.
Of course, if you ask for help, they'll help you, but the number one aspect of Holberton School is learning by doing. The course mimics a real job experience. You work with other classmates, do research, make mistakes, rectify mistakes, and do it all over again until you figure it out. It was a big struggle for me, but it was a great struggle.
Since you had difficulty with the material, did you feel fully supported by the Holberton staff?
Yeah, the Holberton staff and my classmates bent over backward to help me. I read a lot of stories from other schools about how if your grades get low enough, you could get kicked out. So at the time, I kept thinking, "I'm going to get kicked out!" But I forgot that when I first started the course, Holberton assured me to not worry and that no one gets kicked out as long as you try and put forth the effort. They constantly sat down with me to see how they could make my learning process better, they were very helpful.
Since Holberton School gives you the option to do an internship after the 9-month course, did you do an internship or did you go straight into your new job?
I went straight into my new position and did not do an internship. After my first nine months, I needed a break so I went back home to New Jersey. My plan was to go home for a couple of weeks, take a break, and then go back to Holberton School, study, and then start applying for jobs out West.
However, when I was home, I randomly decided to apply to jobs on the East Coast. I ended up getting hired as a junior engineer at J.Crew. I was super surprised because it happened so fast. I didn't expect to get hired at all, but Holberton School prepared me for the interview process. I'm still shocked to this day because my life has really changed for the better!
Congrats! Tell me about your job search process.
Throughout the course, you meet professionals all the time – our mentors knew about all the job openings that you could apply to. And when you finish the course, Holberton gives you a list of possible job openings. When I went home and started interviewing with J.Crew, I didn’t tell anyone because I wanted to see what would happen. Sylvain, the co-founder of Holberton School, really helped me with the job search, but I waited until I got back to San Francisco before I told him and the other Holberton staff about my offer. They were super excited for me, I was really lucky to find a job that fast.
Did you feel any stress from that unplanned job search?
No. I have a very laid back personality, so I don't allow a lot of stuff to get to me. But other students were stressed. They were worried about finding a job, even though they were way better developers than me, in my opinion. They eventually got jobs too but speaking for myself, no, I didn't feel pressure. I knew I had worked hard, so I just kept believing in myself. Something would’ve fallen into place eventually.
Tell me about your new job at J.Crew! What tools and languages are you using?
I'm a junior developer engineer at J.Crew and I started at the end of January 2018. We work with Jenkins, Python, and Bash. My job is basic continuous integration, testing, deployment of code. I test the code with a lot of bug checks to see if it is working properly.
So you've been working for a few months, is it what you expected? How did J.Crew ensure that you were onboarded correctly?
It was different working for a big company since they have different processes. There was a lot of waiting at first to get set up, but once I was, my manager taught me how to work through our user system since it was totally different than what I knew. My manager reviews my code and gives me feedback on what I'm doing wrong, and what I'm doing right. I’m learning day-by-day because the company is also doing a big tech overhaul, so my team is learning new systems as well.
In terms of the languages that you're using at J.Crew, what did you learn at Holberton and what was new to you?
I knew Python and Bash because of Holberton, but what I didn't know was Jenkins. Jenkins was pretty easy to learn because of my foundation at Holberton School. Since I knew Python and Bash, I knew how to program and that's the main skill J.Crew wanted.
What advice do you have for other future software engineers who are currently going through the job search?
Trust the process, and believe in yourself. Everything you learn at Holberton School is what you need to do in your job search. Believe in yourself, study hard, make this your goal, and you'll find something eventually. There's that cliché saying, “If I could I do it, you could do it!” And it’s the truth. I struggled big time – I had different problems growing up, but I persevered, pushed through and found something that I love to do. Don't give up. Just keep on working.
As an African-American, how has your experience been impacted while learning at Holberton School and now working in the tech industry?
Working at J.Crew, it hasn’t really impacted me at all because J.Crew is pretty diverse. At Holberton, there are so many students from different backgrounds and learning styles. Since the school is still pretty young, they're still learning how to deal with different learning styles, like mine. The staff was great at adjusting to meet my learning needs and giving each student the help they needed.
When I interviewed at some tech companies, people looked at me weirdly because I'm pretty big – I’m 6 feet tall. One time, I went to a prominent tech company in California for an event with my classmates. One of their employees asked if I was there to set up the audiovisual equipment for the event, and I had to tell them, "No, I'm here for the event." I guess I’m a weird looking developer!
Since you worked in a few fields before Holberton, has any of your previous job experience been useful in your new role as software engineer?
Yes. Because I was a psychology major, I’m always analyzing things; which helps you to not jump the gun on certain ideas. When something bad happens like your code breaking, you don't get upset. I just ask myself, "Why did this happen?" There's been plenty of times where fellow classmates’ code would break, and they’d get frustrated and start all over. My psychology background helps me to say, "Okay, let me take a step back." I learned how to take a step back, write it out, explain it on a whiteboard, see what went wrong, ask for input from the class, and then take it from there. Nothing is perfect, so I’m able to learn from my mistakes, and just get better. My psychology degree helped me to not stress out.
What has been the biggest challenge or roadblock in this journey to learning how to code?
The whole journey was challenging for me. There were so many times when I was at Holberton frustrated in front of my computer screen because I just didn't get it. I was there all day and all night studying, but I just didn't get it. Eventually, it clicked. But having your classmates get ahead of you in their leaning makes you think, "oh man, can I really do this?” I started doubting myself because every day was a struggle. I still don't know everything, but I know way more about software development than I did before.
Maybe the hardest thing was figuring out how to solve a certain question with the knowledge that you have because a 9-month school only teaches you so much. You'll make it at the end of the day as long as you keep trying. But for me, the whole journey was tough.
Do you still stay involved with any of the other Holberton School alumni?
Oh, yeah. I talk to my classmates all the time, and I talk to the new students. I was lucky enough to give a talk in front of a new cohort. And I'll be going back to San Francisco plenty of times to visit in the future.
What advice do you have for people thinking about making a career change and attending a coding school?
Go ahead and make that life change. If it's something you want to do, don't think about it anymore. Just go ahead and apply. And if you fail the first time, apply again. This is your life and in my opinion, you get one life, so you may as well enjoy it to the fullest. Don't worry about anyone else or what they think. Do what you have to do, and do whatever you can to make it. You will be happy at the end of the day.
Welcome to the first News Roundup of 2018! We’re already having a busy 2018 – we published our latest outcomes and demographics report, and we’re seeing a promising focus on diversity in tech! In January we saw a significant fundraising announcement from an online bootcamp, we saw journalists exploring why employers should hire bootcamp and apprenticeship graduates, we read about community colleges versus bootcamps and how bootcamps are helping to grow tech ecosystems. Plus, we’ll talk about the newest campuses and schools on the scene, and our favorite blog posts. Read below or listen to the podcast!Continue Reading →
Throughout her career as a software engineer, Neha Jain has understood that learning by doing is more relevant to programming than theoretical exams. Now an engineer at LinkedIn (and a recipient of the CloudNow Women in Cloud Innovation award), Neha is passing her wisdom onto the next generation of engineers at Holberton School. We get Neha’s thoughts on the impact of non-traditional education, the quality of engineers graduating from Holberton, and hear her advice for bootcampers who want to excel as developers in the industry.
First, tell us how you got involved with Holberton School.
Holberton School was founded by one of my friends and previous SlideShare coworker, Sylvain Kalache. He talked to me about the idea for Holberton School when it was in the early phases, before their first cohort. When Sylvain asked me to be a mentor, I was completely surprised. I thought, "I'm just a Software Engineer; why do you think that I'd have anything to offer?" He assured me that there were students all over the ladder; they still had a lot to learn and they would want to know how I got to where I am today. Even though I want to grow a lot as an engineer, I’ve realized that I can still teach and mentor other people to get to my level.
The school was within walking distance from the SlideShare San Francisco office, so I walked over one evening and all the students were so excited to meet me – especially the women. They told me I was the first female mentor they had met; they asked me a lot of questions and I came out of that first meeting feeling very energetic and excited.
So Holberton actually gave you the opportunity to realize your role as a mentor – cool!
When you are working at a company like LinkedIn, especially in software engineering, there are always smarter people than you. So you feel that imposter syndrome all the time. Mentoring at Holberton and working with a group of students was a very nice break from all those feelings.
Were you at all skeptical about coding bootcamps when you first started mentoring with Holberton?
Actually, I thought it was a pretty good idea. When I studied IT in India, we had great professors, but the exams and material taught were all theoretical. Theory can only teach you so much; programming is very practical. You have to write code and build projects to learn – so I did a lot of side projects. I was also accepted to Google Summer of Code, which is a three month, global program that brings more student developers into open source software development. I learned a lot from my mentor during that 12-week program.
In my experience, I knew that learning and doing go hand-in-hand, so when Sylvain proposed the idea of Holberton School, and mentioned that the school would be project-based, I thought, "Oh, yeah. This makes so much sense."
Do you think that Holberton is teaching students what they need to know in order to be legit engineers?
When I started working in the industry, I realized that I had to unlearn some things I had learned in college. I had to learn interpersonal dynamic collaboration, soft skills, and timelines, which are so important. There are just so many things that college doesn't teach you about working in the industry.
Because Holberton has a two-year long learning model, students are learning everything they need to be immediately productive in a company. It’s a project-based school, divided into front end, back end, database, and security – and students rotate to get exposure to all the areas involved in a project. It seems like a natural way to learn how to be instantly productive in your software engineering job in a company.
There are no traditional “instructors” at Holberton School, so what does it mean to be a Holberton School mentor?
The way Holberton sets up their mentorship program is actually very interesting. It's not a traditional structure where they ask for a 9am to 5pm time commitment; instead, it's more on a requirement basis. I've worked with three different batches of mentees – so we don’t work with the same students all the time. I’ve given presentations and talks on Regular Expressions and I prepared a project for the students.
As a mentor, I also helped with the curriculum; C is a big component in the Holberton curriculum, and during the first year of Holberton, we all contributed to the new curriculum in a Google Doc.
The tech industry is something that is changing every day. So you have to learn by reading, and by trying new things by yourself. The entire philosophy of the school is that students learn by themselves and learn by doing. So Holberton students don't get traditional mentors or traditional instructors. They get the material, read the material, they learn, and they ask questions on the Slack channel and in person to mentors.
At LinkedIn, have you hired from Holberton School?
We actually have hired a couple of Holberton School students. LinkedIn started a program called REACH last year, which is an apprentice program that brings people from nontraditional backgrounds into engineering. The goal of REACH is to recruit fresh, talented people who have a passion for computer science and programming, and then for six months, we will treat them like regular software engineers. We give them the same challenges and tasks as a normal engineer, and if everything aligns, then they get a full-time offer.
Justin Marsh, a student from Holberton, got hired into the Reach program when he was only five months into Holberton. Now he’s a full-time software engineer at LinkedIn. He is not on my team so I don't work with him directly, but I've heard a lot of good things about him.
As a successful engineer, what is your advice to bootcampers who want to be true contributors to the engineering community? What do students need to do after they graduate from a school like Holberton?
Have an open mind, be curious and always be willing to learn new things: those are the keys to being a successful engineer on a team. If you have an open mind, you’ll learn to not make any assumptions about the intentions of your teammates. You’ll make the right call in difficult situations because you will not be emotionally attached to your ideas, or your work. If you ask the right questions, you will end up making informed decisions and helping your team, because of that, you’ll become a really productive team member.
You should always be curious, not just about technology but also about the business goals and the culture of the company. And obviously, you have to always be learning because there are always new tools coming out. Technology is one area where trends change faster than the blink of an eye.
You have a lot of experience in AI and machine learning. Do you think these are required subjects for a new developer these days?
I wouldn’t say developers ‘should’ know these subjects, but great developers are generally curious people. For example, at LinkedIn, back end developers were doing machine learning and a lot of the front end developers were curious about it. They asked their managers how they could be involved and understand what goes into machine learning. So the machine learning experts on the team set up a bootcamp at the company to teach others. There was so much interest around it, even from people not using machine learning full-time.
I think that's how it should be – whenever there are new, exciting technologies, developers will be inclined to learn more.
Do you see AI putting coders out of jobs?
That one is a little bit tricky. The media sensationalizes AI in the tech industry a lot, and I often hear that AI will be putting engineers out of jobs, but I don’t see that happening, at least for the next 10-20 years. Artificial intelligence is being used to enhance our lives, jobs, and the things we work on – it informs our decisions. It's more like an added advantage that frees up a lot of resources from doing redundant tasks that can be automated.
In addition to Holberton School, you’re also building a community for mothers in tech – could you explain the goal of PiMothers?
When I moved to the U.S. three years ago, my husband and I didn't have any extended family or friends. We were working and building relationships from scratch. I saw that the culture in the United States is so different from India – people cherish their independence, as opposed to in India, which has a very close-knit culture.
I was curious how mothers are so exceptional at their work and also exceptional as parents in the US – how do they balance everything? I did some interviews and thought that this information might be useful to other women in technology, so I thought I should share it with the community. First I checked with the women who I had talked to and shared a draft of the post with them. I published it, only upon their consent. My husband actually helped me design the logo, which was very cool.
With PiMothers I want to build a community of women that could help each other out. Now I don’t set up interviews with anyone, rather I have created an automated process with an online form to allow women to share their stories from their comfort zone.
Why is it important for you to be involved with mentoring the next generation of engineers at Holberton?
I’ve learned that mentorship is just in my nature. It gives me a sense of purpose in life. Even at LinkedIn, we have a bootcamp program to train new hires, and I enjoy mentoring those new college grads as well.
Also, the founders of Holberton School are really accomplished software engineers. They are smart people so their students are in good hands.
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Swati Gupta studied psychology in college and worked as a counselor in New Delhi, India, but when she moved to San Francisco, she was ready for a career change. After much research, self-learning, community college computer science classes, and a nudge from her software engineer husband, Swati chose to enroll at Holberton School’s two-year code school. Learn about why Swati was attracted to Holberton’s tuition model, her views on women in tech, and why she decided to turn down an offer from Apple for an internship at NVIDIA!
What was your educational background and career path before Holberton School?
Before Holberton School, I earned a bachelor's and master's degree in psychology and worked as a counselor in New Delhi, India for about three years.
Then I got married, moved to San Francisco and took a break from working. At that time, I was exploring a couple of different fields – business management, HR, etc. My husband got me interested in technology. He worked as a software engineer and would show me what he was working on, including a feature that he wrote for his company that became very popular. Seeing those things attracted me to learning to code.
Did you learn to code before attending Holberton School?
Initially, I started taking online classes on Lynda.com and my husband was also teaching me. Then I took some math and computer science classes at Foothill Community College for a year. I could’ve received my associate’s degree in computer science but there were general classes in English and social science that I was not interested in, so I didn't get the degree.
What made you want to do a coding school after taking computer science classes at a community college?
The classes I was taking were giving me a really good introduction to programming and computer science concepts, but I was looking for a project or internship to get more practical exposure. As I was looking, I found out about Holberton School and did a lot of research on the School. I met with mentors, students who were enrolled in the program, and with the founders. They were all really helpful, answered all my questions, and I liked everything about the program.
Why did Holberton School stand out to you?
I preferred Holberton School because Holberton offered a more comprehensive software engineering training. At Holberton you don’t just learn one programming language or just focus on one stack – you work on all levels of a software lifecycle with your peers and mentors.
I was considering two other options. I didn't choose Hackbright Academy because they are more focused on web technologies and front-end. Another school that I was considering was 42. I ultimately didn't consider that either because the program was not very structured.
Since you had already taken some computer science classes, were you looking for a specific stack to learn at Holberton School?
No. The program provides the opportunity to work at multiple levels and that was attractive to me. In school, I was only doing one language, Java. I wanted to learn more before specializing in one area. Before Holberton, I didn't know how to use the command line, I didn't know the basic admin commands, how to debug my system when something goes wrong, or how to make my system more secure. I didn’t know about VMs or Containers, I learned all of that stuff at Holberton.
Holberton School has a deferred tuition model. Was that a factor in your decision to attend?
Yes. You don't have to pay any upfront tuition fee – you pay once you get a job. That is another attractive point about Holberton School because you don't have to take a loan. At other colleges or bootcamps, there can be an uncertainty about whether you will get a job or not. But at Holberton School, if you don't find a job after a certain point, you don't owe them anything. That is another attractive aspect because it makes the school totally invest in you.
Walk us through your application and interview process for Holberton School.
The process itself was interesting. Right away when you start filling out the application, it asks you to really explore and inquire of yourself reasons why you want to join the program. You have to justify why you want to enter the tech industry, especially if you're transferring from another background.
Then you have to do a couple of other challenges, which were pretty easy. The biggest challenge is to build a website following their specific guidelines. They want to see your willingness to complete the challenge. The application is pretty long, and so is the program. They want to see your motivations and see if you can sustain this experience. Holberton also wants to see if you can follow a set of guidelines. You lose points if you don't follow their guidelines. I had to redo my website because in a couple of places I was missing their guidelines. It took me approximately two weeks for the application process.
Describe your cohort. Is it diverse in terms of gender and career backgrounds?
Oh yeah, it is very diverse. We have people from all different places. We have men and women with degrees in different fields and it’s around 20 people.
What phase are you currently in at Holberton School?
The program is divided into three phases. Phase one is focused on the full-stack curriculum that all students must do. Phase 2 is a six-month internship and phase 3 is dedicated to the specialization of your choice. For phase 3, Holberton School is flexible and allows you to continue your job if you choose to make that your specialization. I'm currently in my internship, so I'll graduate in 2018.
Could you explain your learning experience? Walk us through a typical day at Holberton School.
In the first three months, we got daily projects. For instance, we would get an introduction to the C language as a project with 24 hours to complete it. The project would be divided into two parts – one part would be a mandatory and the second part would be optional advanced questions. In the beginning, when we had introductory language assignments, they were pretty easy. It was like building a stack from the ground up. In the beginning, they would be easy, then intermediate, and then very, very tough. If you hadn't completed your easy/introductory part, it would be difficult to do the more advanced parts.
It would usually take an entire day for me to figure out some of these. I would do the mandatory stuff pretty easily and quickly. Then I would work on the advanced problems – I was ambitious with my grades so I would want to do all of the problems.
Did you have any special experience being a woman in technology and learning to code?
If any, it's all positive. I have been received with encouragement by people in tech. Wherever I go, people appreciate me for choosing to come into the tech industry. I feel grateful to all the efforts companies and women organizations are making to bring more diversity, and I feel it’s having a positive impact.
I feel the same thing at Holberton too – everyone is very encouraging. When I said I thought certain subjects would be too difficult for me to learn, one of the founders told me, "You shouldn't be scared. Don't think you cannot do it.”
Tell us about your process of getting your internship? Did Holberton School help you land your internship?
For my internship, Holberton helped me 100%. They arranged the interview and helped me prepare for the interviews. Holberton School was the platform for everything – the company I’m working with now came to our campus for interviews. Even prior to actual interviews, we had mock interviews every week with help from mentors and even the founders.
Did you have different internships to choose from? How was your job search process?
I had a full-time offer from Apple for a Site Reliability Engineer (SRE) position, but I chose a six-month software engineering internship at NVIDIA instead. Both of the opportunities were great and I had a hard time choosing one over the other. I decided to go with NVIDIA because the work they were doing was pretty exciting.
Tell us about your internship. How are they bringing you up to speed, how large is the team and what's a typical day like? What are you working on?
I'm working at NVIDIA, a GPU (graphics processing unit) design and manufacturing company, in a six-month internship as a software engineer. I’ve been here for a month and a half and right now I'm working on one of the critical tasks for the company. I had the flexibility of choosing the tasks for myself during my internship. My team works on enabling GPU support in containers.
Usually, my day starts at 9:30am and then I work until 9pm. It's not that consistent. Whatever tasks I've been given, I look into it, find more resources, learn more about it, try everything on my end before asking for help and then build a small prototype of how it should be done to check if I am moving in the right direction.
All of this stuff is pretty new for me. Every day I’m learning, I complete a task, I get feedback, then I try to improve on that. My team has been very supportive and helpful – they are very open to my questions
How has your previous background in computer science along with your Holberton experience helped you in your current internship?
I think everything together is helping me do the work every day. Since you work in teams, you need to find the right people and ask the right questions. And at Holberton we were trained for that by working on group projects.
Will you choose to continue at your internship or go back to Holberton School? What are your plans for your career?
I still have to decide that. I recently started the internship so it’s pretty early for me to decide right away. I do know that I want to keep learning the things I’m learning in my current role.
What's been your biggest challenge or roadblock in your journey to learning how to code?
I wouldn't say it's been an easy journey throughout, but I have enjoyed it. Learning to code has made me more mature in day-to-day life. Also, I look at things more critically now, and I’m a better planner.
As far as the biggest challenge, it’s more like a cyclic process. When your code doesn't work you are frustrated, challenged and it requires you to invest all your time. But once it works you are on cloud nine. So the challenge I would say is to have the patience to sustain this.
Do you keep in touch with other Holberton School students and alumni?
I don't get that much time to be involved in the school, but I am still on the Slack channel. If I have a question, I can still ask the founders. They are very prompt in answering my questions. If I find something that would be useful for the school, I pass it on. I wouldn't say I’m very actively involved, but on and off.
What advice do you have for people thinking about making this career change into software development and attending a coding school?
People should first explore if they're really interested in coding or not. They shouldn't just follow the wave which is running right now, with all the coding bootcamps and online classes out there. In the beginning, you really need to explore yourself. Don't just go straight into a program. Do your learning beforehand – do a project or maybe an internship. Find out if you're really interested or not.
People should really be introspective. It shouldn’t just be a one-off thing where they want to get a job and earn money. It's not that easy. You really have to put yourself into it to keep learning. There will be a lot of times that you will be frustrated and demotivated.
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Just as they’ve developed disruptive education tools, technology bootcamps are also adopting payment plans which allow students to pay nothing or very little until they graduate and find a job. Deferred tuition and income sharing agreements (ISAs) are becoming more widely available, and give students who don’t have $20,000 in the bank, access to life-changing learning opportunities. This guide will help you sort through the details and differentiate between the terms; plus, we’ve even helped you start your research by compiling a list of coding and data science bootcamps that offer ISAs or Deferred Tuition.Continue Reading →
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Justin Marsh enjoyed traveling the world as a professional poker player, but when he hit 30, he wanted to transition to a more settled career in software engineering. After attempting to teach himself, Justin felt he needed more guidance when he got stuck, so he enrolled in Holberton School in San Francisco. Now he’s landed a coveted apprenticeship at LinkedIn, and credits Holberton’s project-based learning for his success. We asked Justin and Holberton Chief Engineer Julien Cyr to explain how the curriculum is designed to prepare students to keep learning on the job.
Justin, what is your pre-bootcamp story?
Justin: I was a professional poker player. Last summer, I realized I was ready to settle down and start a new career. Before starting my poker career, I was interested in all aspects of computing, from the hardware to the software. But as a 30 year old, it’s hard to think about how to start a new career, and get into software engineering. I was inspired by someone in the poker community who left poker and through alternative education, got the skills to get a job in the tech industry in California. That sparked my interest. I realized that I didn’t need a 4-year degree or a Master’s degree to get an opportunity in tech; I just needed to be good enough to prove my abilities and that would open the door for me.
My original plan was to use all of the amazing online resources to teach myself to code. But after a month or two I realized that going it alone is very tough because when you get stuck, you don’t have any guidance. I felt capable in my ability to learn, but I needed a program that would help prepare me for a career. It was in that process that I found Holberton. I found the program interesting because you learn through projects, which is what I was attempting to do while teaching myself, except Holberton offers more guidance. I applied, got accepted, and moved to San Francisco for Holberton.
Did you research coding bootcamps or CS degree programs, and what made you choose Holberton?
Justin: I did look at a lot of different bootcamps. Cost was a major blocker for me – a lot of programs were very expensive, and there was no assurance that I would get a job from those bootcamps. However, at Holberton, deferred payment means that the school doesn’t get paid until I get a job, so my goals (getting a job) are in line with Holberton’s goals (profiting from my success). That made me confident that the Holberton team would have my best interests at heart.
Secondly, 12-week coding bootcamps didn’t seem long enough. I’m confident in my ability to learn, but I didn’t feel that three months would be enough time to go from being an amateur to being good enough at coding to get a professional job. The longer, 2-year length at Holberton was very attractive to me.
How many people were in your cohort? How diverse was it?
Justin: We started with 29 people in my cohort. What struck me about the students at Holberton were the people's backgrounds – not just who they were but where they came from. I don’t think anybody in my cohort had the same background story. What they studied in college, if they went to college at all, their age – that level of diversity really stood out.
What was the learning experience like at Holberton – can you give me an example of a typical day?
Justin: The typical morning started by checking for new material or assignments. I would get up early, have a coffee, and spend an hour reading about what we were going to work on that day. I’d spend the early morning working through problems, and solving tasks. If I got stuck that was ok, I’d move on, come back to it later, or ask peers for help.
Every day we had a stand up at 11:30am, to touch base with everyone and make sure we were on the same page. I spent the afternoon overcoming challenges I’d faced in the morning, interacting with peers a lot more, and working on the hardest parts of my assignments. If we had two-week long projects, we’d do a lot of that peer work until about 5pm or 6pm, when people would start going home. Sometimes an assignment would grip us and we'd stay working until midnight. I lived very close to school so I had the flexibility to work when I was ready to work and take breaks when it made sense.
Julien, as the Chief Engineer at Holberton, why did your team design the curriculum in this way? How does this style of learning prepare students for the workforce?
Julien: The point of Holberton School is not to teach specific programming languages to students; it’s to teach them how to learn. If you want to have a successful career in tech, then you need to be able to learn new techniques by yourself. You can’t go back to school or attend a new coding bootcamp every few years just to be up to date with market needs. We want students to be able to learn by themselves so that they can pursue a good and lasting career.
Every day, we assign projects to students. They have to work together and help each other as a team. When students eventually enter a company, they will need to work together in teams, so we want our students to work together on projects at school.
Our students learn at different paces, so we actually provide optional extra projects for students who want to go further. Students who finish their projects before noon get advanced tasks to work on for the rest of the day. People who are learning more slowly still get a good foundation and understanding of the fundamentals. There are also optional group projects coming in from the industry, managed by mentors. Those allow our students to work on real projects like white papers, R&D, or building tools.
Does Holberton School’s curriculum cover specific programming languages?
Justin: At the beginning we focused on C, Python, SQL, and a few other technologies. There were technology requirements for every task, and some of them were more specific than others. The important part for me was having an understanding of basic concepts, then moving on to new things. I’ve found that if I’m working on a new language, I can relate pieces of that language to the fundamentals I’ve learned. For example, if I have to dive into object-oriented design in Java, the fact that we learned object-oriented design in Python means it’s easy to go back and see how Python and Java are similar, and how Java and C are similar.
Julien: The fields of computer science and computer engineering are moving really fast; there are new technologies emerging all the time, but the fundamentals have been the same for years. Algorithms, data structures, the rules of programming – they never change – and we will always need them. We want students to understand those fundamentals very well. At Holberton School, it’s mandatory to be able to program in C, and to be able to solve some complex algorithms. But for optional projects, students can choose which technologies to use.
Justin, what do you think of this project-based learning approach compared with your previous learning experiences?
Justin: Project-based learning was always my preference. At university, you’re given specific lessons to memorize, which is not the same as putting those concepts into use. Software engineering is actually a very creative field; you’re not simply following instructions. You need to be able to see a problem, design a solution, and then build that solution using code. Knowing how each tool works and fits together is really important in finding the right solution.
Here’s an analogy: I know about a lot of different carpentry tools. However, simply knowing what those tools do, doesn’t mean I can use them. I have to get in there, use the languages, use the technologies, and teach myself how to use them.
How often did you interact with Holberton staff or mentors when you had a question or a problem?
Justin: I probably interacted with mentors or staff every day or every other day. That resource is there specifically for when you can’t figure a problem out by yourself, or if your classmate doesn’t know what's wrong. Removing those blockers is the major reason that this type of learning was successful for me.
How does the mentor system at Holberton School work?
Julien: There are multiple ways to interact with mentors at Holberton School. Mentors come to the school to give presentations or fireside chats on topics around technical topics, how to work well in a company, how to find a job, or how to kill an interview. Students can also meet one-on-one with mentors or communicate via Slack channels. Mentors sometimes bring in optional projects for students, and a group of students will work together remotely and on-site around those projects. Many of our mentors work nearby in the city and will stop by the school and help students if they need it. Students can also meet mentors for a tour of their office or for lunch.
Justin: From a student’s perspective, I quickly realized that mentors are effective because they love the technologies they use and are really passionate about them. When we were working on building up our shell, I could reach out to the mentors for advice on a difficult problem, and that was the most valuable use of the mentorship. The mentors were very willing to help – if someone reaches out to you and they want to know more about what you do or how you do it, you’re going to be really open to connecting with that person. That’s how I experienced mentorship at its best at Holberton.
How did Holberton prepare you for job hunting?
Justin: We had regular mock interviews, which made the actual interview process much more comfortable. At the time, I thought the value of the mock interviews would be getting me better at answering interview questions or whiteboarding problems. And that was part of our training, but what I realized in actual job interviews, was that those mock interviews helped me tell my story. I think that’s the reason I got my current job, because they wanted to know more about me. I knew what my story was, I knew what to talk about, and I knew who I was, because I’d been asked those questions before at Holberton.
Congratulations on your job at LinkedIn! Can you tell us how you found the job and what your role is?
Justin: I found the role through another Holberton alum. It’s a six-month apprenticeship at LinkedIn in the engineering department. I started at the beginning of April. A lot of people in my class were excited about it and applied for it.
Did Holberton teach you everything you needed for your new job?
Justin: I’ve had to learn a lot of new technology, and that’s basically what the Holberton model prepared me for – you go into the job, you might not know all the technologies and languages they use, but you can get onboarded and up to speed fast. During my entire first month at LinkedIn, I was implementing what I learned from Holberton to get up to speed.
I wasn’t required to know anything specific for the interview, I just had to show that I knew how to write software, and knew how to solve problems.
Julien: What companies basically want to know is if you are able to learn new things, on your own, really quickly to be able to work in a team as soon as possible. After nine months at Holberton, you get the fundamentals and the ability to learn by yourself, and that helps you to get a job.
Justin, what other aspects of the Holberton curriculum have helped you in your job?
Justin: Working with other people on a team is super important in tech. You need to be able to ask questions when you’re stuck, work with other people to come to conclusions about design, and how to approach problems. Software engineering isn’t a solo job; it’s a team effort. If you can’t work with other people, you won’t get far. My day-to-day at LinkedIn is very similar to Holberton – I’m working with other people, asking questions, and getting feedback.
Justin, when you look back over the last year learning to code, do you think you could have got the role at LinkedIn without Holberton if you had continued teaching yourself?
Justin: I wouldn’t have this position if I didn’t go to Holberton. I may have eventually achieved success, but I wouldn’t be here without Holberton School.
Julien, do you have a feedback loop with alumni/employers about the curriculum? What kind of feedback do you hear?
Julien: Our entire model is based on feedback, and our mentors are always helping us keep the curriculum updated. We try to build partnerships with companies where our students are working, and get feedback from them.
For each batch of students we improve and provide more up to date content. For example, companies will look at the tools we are teaching, tell us when they’re outdated, and suggest what we should use instead. For the very first batch, we taught some soft skills, and the first feedback from companies was, “your students are great technically, but when they interact with people, they need more empathy.” So we have now implemented more training around empathy and team dynamics.
Justin, do you plan to go back to Holberton for the 9-month specialization track?
Justin: That’s to be determined. I’m definitely considering it; there are so many things I want to learn so it’s hard to limit yourself to only a few things.
Julien, why do you offer the 9-month specialization track? And how popular is it with students? Do they usually return for it?
Julien: Even after nine months, you may be good at your job and you know how to learn, but you probably haven’t been able to dive really deep into some topics. So we offer specialization in topics that we didn’t cover in the main program such as AI, and deeper programming knowledge in the back end or front end. Even though it’s possible to learn by yourself, it will be quicker and easier to learn the specialization with your peers and mentors.
It’s hard to get students back to the school, because they get settled at companies, and they are well paid. There are people who really want to study, and do come back, and there are also people who want to keep their job but learn more, so we offer a part-time option. If a student is learning full-time, then they can choose multiple specialties. If they’re learning part-time, then they choose one specialty.
Justin, What’s been the biggest challenge or roadblock in your journey to learn to code?
Justin: My biggest roadblock is that I’m really excited about a lot of new technologies, so I find myself trying them all, when it’s probably better to focus on a few that are most important. When I initially started out I was learning five languages at the same time, so I knew a little bit of each, but I didn’t know any of them well enough to be efficient. Now I’m trying to focus on one or two things per week, and make sure I understand those things so that when I come back to them, I’ll actually understand how to use them.
How do you stay involved with Holberton? Have you kept in touch with other alumni?
Justin: I’m actually finishing up my final project right now. I formed a team with my classmates, and I work on our project on Saturdays and Sundays. I keep in touch with them on Slack.
What advice do you have for people making a career change through a coding bootcamp?
Justin: If you’re passionate and you think you can do it, you definitely can!
Julien: There is not just one way to approach education. There are different ways to achieve your goal, so think carefully when making your decision. There are bootcamps which are quick and efficient, there are universities, and there are also programs like Holberton School which teach you how to learn. Regardless, it’s a big commitment, so carefully research which program you really want to attend. There is no right answer, there is a personal preference for everybody.
Mason had been a musician for five years when he taught himself to build a website for his guitar ensemble. He really enjoyed the process, and realized that coding could complement his music career. Living in San Francisco, Mason had a lot of coding education options, but chose Holberton School for its length and depth. We asked Mason how he enjoyed Holberton School’s self-learning style, how his music skills and coding overlap, and all about his new software engineering job at Docker!
What's your educational and career background before you wanted to learn to code?
I have a bachelor's and master's degree in music performance from two different music conservatories. I’d been pursuing a performance career for five years before I joined Holberton School. My day job was teaching Suzuki classical guitar performance. My evenings and weekends, and really the heart of my entire passion of music, was spent with an ensemble that I had formed– a guitar trio.
That's basically what I was doing for the five years after graduation and up until Holberton. That's also the way I was introduced to computer science because my ensemble needed a website. I'm a very DIY sort of person, so I thought, "All right, I'll build it." I think it seemed less daunting to me because my family is basically made up of software engineers and musicians. Now I fit in with everybody!
How did you teach yourself to build the ensemble website?
Why did you decide to make coding more than a hobby and go to Holberton School?
I’d been living in San Francisco since I moved here for my music education. There are a lot of bootcamps and opportunities to study computer science in a non-traditional manner here. I thought, "I enjoy this, I'm in an area where I can easily educate myself in this field, and I can get hired more easily doing this work." I was in a key location to make that happen.
I started looking into bootcamps and different educational resources I wanted to take advantage of. I considered getting a second master's degree in software development but it may have been necessary to take some other pre-requisite classes before that.
What made you choose Holberton School over other options?
I looked at more traditional bootcamps where you learn Ruby on Rails or a handful of practical technologies in a very short amount of time, like Hack Reactor and App Academy. I stopped my search at Holberton School because of its substantial curriculum and there was also no up-front tuition.
I received a very traditional classical music education, so I’ve always had a deep appreciation for fundamentals and technique. Holberton is a two-year program, and I felt like going to a shorter, 12-week bootcamp that was only focused on a handful of technologies wouldn't offer me that in-depth experience. At the same time, going back to college was going to take longer and cost way more.
So Holberton seemed to be a really wonderful balance. It’s something in my life I could manage while still pursuing music on a performance level. I gave up my guitar teaching as soon as I started Holberton, but continued performing with my ensemble.
What attracted you to the Holberton curriculum? Did it seem more in depth than other offerings?
Holberton’s curriculum focuses on applied computer science by teaching specific technologies but also puts a very heavy emphasis on theory and lower level programming. We would learn C to get a good understanding of how machines work and process code behind the scenes. Almost a third of the initial nine month period was going to be spent on traditional theory like data structures and algorithms. My own family members had really encouraged me to learn that kind of theory so I realized Holberton was a better option.
I know Holberton has a rather lengthy application process. Can you tell me what stood out in the application process?
It has four levels. The initial few levels are what you would expect, just entering information about yourself. The first request of the application process that seemed a little bit unusual, was making a one-minute video where you describe yourself and why you want to learn to code. I think a lot of people stopped at that phase in the application. You have to really want it in order to put in the time to make a video that's very representative of yourself.
One of the most interesting parts of the application was right before the interview, where you have to build a website. It was the second website I had built. They provide you with some starter resources, but you’re on your own. You don't have a teacher to give you the answers. I spent almost two weeks trying to create a website that follows the restrictions, but was creative within those bounds. That step of the process is as hard as you make it on yourself, which is a statement you can make about the entire Holberton curriculum.
Once you got to Holberton School, how many people were in your cohort and was your class diverse in terms of gender, race, and career backgrounds?
There were 32 students when we started, and 29 by the end of the initial nine-month period. The cohort was the single most diverse group of people I've ever been around, hands down. The fact that I came from different music schools, that tend to attract diverse groups of people from many countries, gives that statement even more meaning. Part of the reason for that is that the selection process didn’t really have any human engagement in it until the interview at the end. So to end up with such a broad range of genders, races, and even political belief systems, based on successful application completion time alone, is awesome.
Can you tell me about the learning experience at Holberton School? What was a typical day like?
On a typical day at Holberton, we’d always have stand-up, which is a meeting exactly like what I have at work now. The whole school was modeled after a startup – you're there working on your own, and you meet up with other people on problem-solving activities. For some projects, you might be interacting with other students to try and problem solve together. If it’s a team project, you could be doing paired programming, or discussing the design so you can divide up labor then work on your part on your own. Then you meet later to debrief. There would also be a live coding of a previous week’s project that would be done by former students or by the Holberton team, made up of the founders, Julien and Sylvain.
On top of that, you could have a variety of other events as a part of a school day, including workshops where our mentors would give a talk on a particular technology. It could be on React.js, or on a concept like regular expressions, or on an entire field of computer science like machine learning. The closest thing to a recurring class that we had at Holberton was a three-part workshop series on deep learning given by two mentors in the field.
Did you like that learning style where you're left to work through the materials with the help of your peers and not so much interaction with instructors?
Very much so, especially coming from my background practicing music. I went into music not because I loved to perform, that was something that I had to learn to appreciate, but because I love to practice, and I like the study of it. Every musician has to study on their own. There can be an instruction process where somebody shows things to you, but you've got to walk through the door yourself. You have to do the work. If you don't do your homework, you're not going to learn. So that paradigm of self-study was something I was very familiar with, appreciative, and receptive towards.
How many instructors or mentors did you have available to interact with?
The Holberton team was on site every day taking questions. But before you could ask them a question, you had to google it, and try to use the internet to answer a question. If you couldn't find it that way, then you’d ask your peer. It’s a laid out algorithm for trying to figure out an answer to any question: step one, Google it, step two, ask a peer, step three, ask a mentor, then step four, ask the Holberton team. Using research skills, knowing what keywords to Google, and being able to read through somebody's answer and understand whether it applies to you or not, are important.
We could also contact our mentors through Slack at any time. The mentors were all working professionals. You just ask the question in a channel and someone would answer– they were all very helpful. In some cases, mentors would even be too helpful, and just give you the answer, so it was better when mentors were like, "Let me help you help yourself instead of just giving you the answer." That's a huge part of the Holberton culture.
What would you say was the biggest challenge for you while you were studying at Holberton?
I still perform very regularly with my music ensemble. We are professionally managed and tour internationally. We played in England and Germany while I was attending Holberton, so the biggest challenge was keeping that in my life as I was pursuing my software education at Holberton. I feel very lucky because I have the best part of everything I've ever pursued with music which is my ensemble, and now I've got this other awesome passion in computer science. They complement each other. One can support the other without dominating it.
In what ways do you think music and coding overlap? Are there many shared skills that you noticed that helped you learn to code?
Absolutely. It’s difficult to describe. A lot of people associate coding and computer science as left-brained analytical activities, and they think of music as a very creative right-brained activity. I think both of those statements are true, but music is also a very analytical activity where, as a performer, you are taking music, which is a blueprint or a design specification, and you are implementing it. You are finding a way to bring it into reality. To do that, you need to program your body to move in a certain way. There are a lot of little problems to solve to figure that out so it can be a very analytical endeavor. Likewise, programming also uses both sides of your brain and is a much more creative activity than people give it credit for. I think that's a common misunderstanding; thinking of music and/or computer science as one-dimensional.
They are also both iterative processes. The idea that somebody sits down to learn a new piece of music and plays it perfectly the first time is silly. That's not how it works. Likewise, if you sit down to write out your entire project in code, you won’t get it right the first time. You'll iterate, make a mistake, run it, see where the problems are, look at the problem, solve it, and run it again. You keep going over and over, and repeating, just like music practice.
What was your favorite project at Holberton?
There are two projects that I love a lot, and I would not sleep so I could work on these projects. For one of them we coded a Linux shell using the C programming language, modeling the bash shell. That was wonderful. Before that, a lot of projects were to build specific functions to solve a particular problem. When we did the shell, that was one of the first times where we were writing a very large program, and as it grew you needed to refactor your code to continue to grow. That was really cool.
The second project was one of the last ones I did, where we coded a raycaster. It’s like those old-style games Doom or Wolfenstein where it's in 3D, you're moving through a map, and there are walls like a maze. I never got around to adding enemies or a way of shooting them, but I have a YouTube video I recorded to showcase it. It was a fun project. Originally it was supposed to be in C, but at that point, I knew I was joining Docker, so I learned Golang for this project because that’s one of the technologies Docker uses. Having gone through the bulk of the initial Holberton curriculum, I was able to teach myself enough Golang to complete the project in a week, then spent another week actually doing the project.
What kind of preparation or guidance did Holberton School give you for finding your first role as a developer?
In terms of the interview process, and finding interviews, Holberton was very helpful. To prepare for interviews, all the students would meet each week to work on common algorithm questions. Everybody would think about it on their own for 20 to 30 minutes, then we would go over it together. The Holberton team would sometimes participate and chime in on a different aspect of the problem and how an interviewer would want you to solve it.
Then there were organized events. An engineer from Google came in and did a live interview demo with me in front of the whole class, which was nerve-racking, but wonderful. I was very appreciative of mock interviews because performance is so different from practice. I know so many incredible musicians who never really learned how to perform. And that is a separate skill, just like interviewing. You can be a great programmer, but you don't know how to interview because you get nervous and can't represent yourself faithfully. And that sucks.
How did you find your internship and job at Docker?
The Holberton School team worked very hard to connect people to different interviews. They don't line up internships for you just blindly, but they line up interviews where you can earn an internship. So that's what happened with me. There were a few other students who also interviewed at Docker from Holberton. I got the internship and started mid-October. It was originally supposed to be a six-month internship, but they actually cut it short to hire me on full-time, which was the best reason to cut it short.
What's your role and what kind of projects are you working on?
Officially, my title is Software Engineer, I'm doing full-stack software engineering. I am on the Docker Store team. It's a relatively new offering, but it's the gateway to all of Docker’s products and from an engineering perspective, it is a very challenging project to build correctly so that it can scale appropriately. The last six weeks has had more emphasis on front-end, but I typically bounce back and forth often and my manager is always trying to help people fill out their understanding of the entire architecture. So I'm about to start a new back-end project that should take a couple of weeks.
How big is your team at Docker?
It's about eight engineers, an engineering manager, a designer, and a couple of product managers, so about 13 or 14 people. I work regularly with the engineers, then during certain meetings, the product managers will help highlight higher level descriptions of the products we're working on, then we figure out the implementation details from this new knowledge.
Can you give me a really quick overview of what Docker does?
Docker is the champion of software containers which wrap up applications into an isolated virtual environment so they may run in a more consistent, reliable, and even portable fashion. Containers are virtualized on an operating system level so, for example, you may have a hardware server which hosts three virtual machines, then within each of those virtual machines you may have 10 containers running at the same time, each serving a different web property or running another process. Anytime an application fails, you can just tear it down and put it right back up because you've got a blueprint image that is a snapshot of what the container is supposed to look like when everything is working correctly. In an era of cloud computing and distributed architectures, Docker is an incredibly useful tool.
You mentioned you had to learn Golang for this job. What kind of onboarding and training did you get when you started the job?
It was a very project-based onboarding. There are always little bugs, features, and tasks that we're tracking within our ticketing system that are very simple one or three-line fixes. For me, they curated a series of those tickets – simple little changes that they wanted to make to the app. The hardest part was learning how to navigate to the right spot through the codebase. So with enough of those, I started to get very comfortable with where things were, then I could start to create things.
The first couple of months of my internship, I was reading way more code than I was writing. Over time you start to see repeated patterns, then you don't need to spend as much time trying to understand it. I was very pleased that Docker was using so many technologies that I had already used at Holberton. That made onboarding much more achievable for me.
Holberton has another part of the course where you go back after your internship and choose a specialization. Are you planning to do that?
What advice do you have for other people considering an intensive program to learn to code?
I think it's very important in developing software that you are able to teach yourself because there is so much to learn. There's so much technology – it's moving at a rate that nobody can keep up with and you are always going to encounter things you don't know. So if you don't know how to teach yourself the things you need to learn when you encounter them, you're going to run into issues that you don't know, problems you don't know how to solve, and have a much harder time. It's very important that you're comfortable teaching yourself.
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Steven Garcia has had an interest in coding since he was deconstructing his PlayStation at age 14, so when he saw Holberton School in the news, he knew that the two-year program was next step for him. See why Steven opted out of the traditional computer science degree to attend Holberton School’s two-year program, how he stays motivated while coding 10 hours per day, and learn about his software engineering internship at Medsleuth!
What were you up to before Holberton School? What was your educational background and your last career path?
I was studying general education at Santa Rosa Junior College in Santa Rosa, CA. I was in my last semester and was looking to transfer to a four-year university. I was also working full-time at the Apple store in retail, so I was doing both work and school full-time.
I earned an associate’s degree in general studies geared towards computer science. It was a lot of math and a lot of science courses, but it didn’t teach me full-on how to code. It was mostly preparing me for a four-year computer science degree since I was looking at transferring to either UC Berkeley or UC Davis.
Right before I sent in my transfer applications, I came across the Holberton School application. I decided to apply to Holberton School first because they would give me a much faster answer.
When did you start having the idea that you wanted to learn coding?
I think it all began when I was around 14 years old. I realized I wanted to learn to code because my parents gave me a PlayStation 2 for my birthday. I got really bored of playing the video games, and wanted to know how the thing worked inside. So I kept taking it apart constantly until it broke. That's when I realized that I wanted to know how technology worked. Flash forward to college, when I had the opportunity to take an intro class to realize what programming can do. That fascinated me and geared me toward this path.
Did you research other coding bootcamps or software engineering schools? How did you hear about Holberton School?
I did not. I only knew of a few coding bootcamps, but wasn't really attracted to them, mostly because that type of education was unfamiliar to me. I wasn’t used to it, and it was just different.
When I found out about Holberton School, I was reading the news. It happened to be the first day they released the application, and I started applying that day. I did not do a lot of research even though I did not know much about bootcamps. I thought to myself, "I'm at a crossroads here where I'm either going to go to a four-year university or maybe I can try something different." So I choose Holberton School.
Were there any specific factors that you were looking for at Holberton School in terms of price, location, and the languages taught?
Not really. The thing that attracted me the most was the networking opportunities. It seemed that most other places didn't offer that as much, even colleges and universities. Holberton School provides networking opportunities with people that are in the field that can give you good advice and possibly be your mentor. It was a huge selling point for me to be able to interact with these people. In the past nine months, I’ve experienced a lot of interactions with these mentors, and I've learned a lot from them.
What was your Holberton School application and interview process like?
To give perspective, I was one of the first official students at Holberton School. The process towards the end was a little bit different, but let me explain. The first step was to sign up for the application. Then you go through a really small challenge to determine if you know how to Google things and find answers on your own. I remember one of the questions was about Betty Holberton, who they named the school after, and things like that. It's not like you had to have the knowledge of everything, but mostly they were looking to see how you find answers.
The third stage was actually an interview. Because I was one of the first applicants, I was a guinea pig for that stage. They also tested my knowledge of the website I built in the second stage of the interview. We then chatted to see why I was interested in computer science, what made me decide to attend a software engineering school, and we talked about my website and why I picked the topic I did.
How many people are currently in your cohort? Is your cohort diverse in terms of gender, race, and career backgrounds?
I started in January 2016 and my cohort started with 32 students. We now have about 30 students and about 40% are women. I'm Latino, and there are two Latinos. So yeah, there's diversity. I’ve noticed that everybody comes from a different background which was great.
Have you had a different perspective as a person of Latino developer within the tech world and learning at Holberton School?
I don't think any challenges per se. The only thing that I really notice, and I don't know if it's because I don't go to enough meetups, is that the type of networking is not the same. I haven't really met a lot of Latino engineers, and that's something that I think about. I feel like there are not a lot of people that can talk to me about the experiences that I might be having. I haven't met someone in-person who is Latino and an engineer.
How's the learning experience at Holberton School? I'd love to know what a normal day looks like for you.
I actually had the same process every day. I'll be working a project and really stressed out for half the day because I don't know what’s happening. In the first stage, I’m freaking out. In the second stage I think, "Okay. I need to stop freaking out and start learning new things." Then in the third stage of the day I’m thinking, "That was hard, but it was fun." I broke it down and basically every day for the first six months was like that.
I try to get there around 7am but isn’t a required start time. I’d start working on a project from the night before or that had just been released that morning, and would work until standup which was at 11:30am. During standup we talk about what's going on in the school and one student will take 5 minutes to talk about a topic that they were interested in to practice presenting in front of a group.
After standup, most people will take lunch and then work the rest of the day on projects. Sometimes we'll have meetups that usually happened in the afternoon around 4pm. Those meetups were mostly with mentors, and they will either teach a subject, talk about their experiences in the tech industry, or they'll talk about what they’re working on. Most people leave around 6pm, but I'd stay until about 9pm, go home, and then do it all over again.
How do you like the Holberton School teaching style? Since you took some computer science classes in college, how does the learning style compare or contrast?
I liked the teaching style, but it took some time to get used to because instructors don't tell you, "read page 5 of this one book and the answers will be there." You have to find those answers by yourself. It's actually been really useful now that I'm working. Holberton School’s teaching style works, and eventually I got used to it, so I like it now.
Holberton School differs from my learning experience in college because my classes were more theoretical, so we didn’t learn anything that you can really apply to the real world. You wouldn't really have to struggle and think things through.
Now that I'm working, I realize that the Holberton teaching style has been really helpful because every day at work I have to find answers that aren’t in a textbook.
That's great that you feel prepared for your current role! What was your favorite project at Holberton School?
There are a couple of favorites, but I think the one that I had more fun with was building an iOS app. It was a really simple game where a user has 60 seconds to tap a coin, and the app records how many times you tap it, and then gives you a score. I really enjoyed that project because I was always curious about mobile apps and how the interaction with the touch screen worked with the keyboard. We used Xcode and Swift, so that was pretty cool.
Another one of my favorites was one of the last projects we did where we built an Airbnb clone. I built an API, so basically storing data into a server and setting up databases. That project was fascinating because it put everything together for me. You can check it out on my GitHub.
We know that students are required to take an internship position during their studies or opt to start working full-time and finish Holberton remotely. Which route did you take?
I was deciding between skipping the internship and reviewing everything that I'd learned to start my own project. I was lucky enough to be offered an internship, so I ended up going that route.
Tell me about your internship position and how you got the role. What was the interview process like?
Everything started with Julien Barbier, who is one of the founders of the school. He sent an email to all the students introducing us to the CTO of Medsleuth. We talked on the phone for about an hour, about what the company does, and what they're looking for. He was also really interested in knowing what I was interested in, my experiences, and my background.
After that, he sent me an email with a coding challenge to translate XML into a JSON format, and I had to do that in Python. It was a really simple coding challenge; he was looking to see if I would reinvent the wheel or if I would use tools that were already available to me. After that he gave me an offer, we renegotiated for a little bit and then I accepted the position.
Congratulations! When did you start at Medsleuth and how long is the position?
I started about two months ago and it's a six-month internship. My manager did say that based on how I perform throughout the internship, and if I wanted to come back after I finish Holberton, they will most likely welcome me back.
Would you possibly consider not going back to Holberton to stay at your position now?
At this point, I think I'm really set on going back to Holberton School. I've been thinking about talking to my company to ask if they would like me to work part-time or on small projects, but I would really like to go back and finish Holberton School.
Tell us about MedSleuth and the types of projects you’re working on.
Medsleuth creates questionnaires for organ donation. So if someone wants to donate a liver, the questionnaire that they fill out is managed by us. Major hospitals hire us, and we build the application and integrate it into their system.
What technologies are you using currently?
I'm using a lot of Amazon Web Service (AWS) tools like Code Pipeline, Code Deploy, ec2, Lambda also other automation tools like Jenkins, and I write most of my code in Python and Bash.
When interviewing with Medsleuth, did you bring up your computer science experience from your associate's degree or did you mainly focus on your Holberton portfolio?
I mostly focused on my Holberton portfolio. I briefly mentioned my college experience, but like I said, it wasn't really much. I learned more at Holberton in the first three months than I learned at college in a year.
Is this software engineering position what you expected out of an internship?
It is different. Our company is small, so there are only seven trained engineers in the company. My job is really hands on all the time. I have my own projects and I have the liberty to suggest a lot of changes. So I can make my voice heard because it’s a small company and they value my opinion, even though I'm an intern, which is great. I was not expecting that from an internship, because in a bigger company I don't think you can affect the main product as much.
What I'm really focusing on at the moment is how the automation process works. I’m handling the part from where all the engineers write their code to be put in the production and development environment. It's really stressful when there is a release because I’m responsible if anything doesn't go through. It's a great experience because it's teaching me a lot of responsibility from a very early point of my career.
Have you had to learn any new programming languages since being in your internship?
I haven’t had to learn any new languages as I had already started learning Python and Bash. I've gone deeper into both of those languages at this point. I’ve learned a lot, and most of the new tools I'm using are the AWS tools. Holberton taught us a little bit about AWS, but not that much, so I didn't really touch Jenkins at all before my internship, which is an automation tool.
What has been your biggest challenge or roadblock in your journey to learning to code?
Even though coding is my passion and a hobby in general, it is hard staying motivated. At Holberton I was coding for over 10 hours a day, every day, Monday through Sunday. Keeping that pace up, it burns you out at a faster rate.
The biggest challenge is not overdoing it too much. Try to have a life as well. Holberton School gives students free time. We'll have our deadlines so we can organize our time, so it was mostly me because I wanted to experience more. I really needed to step back a little and say “okay, I'm going to go work out at the gym or I'm going to go and hang out with friends.” I needed to do something different than coding.
What advice do you have for people who are thinking about making a career change or thinking about attending a coding bootcamp or software engineering school?
Look for a school that will teach you how to learn new things. Because if you only know one topic, the next year that same topic might not be relevant anymore.
Look for a school that doesn’t teach you one subject, but they teach you how to learn new things. It is true that in technology, everything keeps changing. Don't settle for knowing one thing, but strive to learn how to learn many things.
Rona Chong studied sociology at college, and enjoyed interning in the IT department, but when she graduated she wasn’t sure what career she wanted. Rona had enjoyed dabbling with code as a child, so when her twin sister told her about Holberton School’s two-year program in San Francisco, they both applied and were accepted. Rona has finished the first nine-month on-site learning curriculum, and is now in the six-month internship/job phase before finishing up with a nine-month remote specialization. Rona tells us about the engaging Holberton School application, the freedom of learning at her own pace, and how Holberton School’s connections helped her get a job as a Site Reliability Engineer at Dropbox!
What were you up to before you decided to go to Holberton School?
I went to Scripps College for women, and I bounced around with different majors. I started out in STEM, but not computer science. I then ended up switching from biology to sociology which was a very big shift.
I loved sociology, but career-wise, I wasn’t sure how to implement that knowledge. So when I graduated, I had to think about what sort of profession to pursue. Web development was always a prospect for me because I liked to play with HTML and CSS when I was younger, so it was always on my mind and I liked the idea of web development.
I did an internship towards the end of my undergrad degree at the Scripps College IT department, and continued for a month or two after the end of my classes.
Did you learn any coding while you were working in the IT department at Scripps?
During my downtime, one of the staff members who was a programmer encouraged me to learn some coding, and I spent time learning on ShayHowe and CSS Dog because my mind was still on the idea of web development specifically. Most of my time there was handling tickets and setting up computers. I did a little bit of self-study, but not as much as I wanted.
Did you look at other coding bootcamps around San Francisco before you chose Holberton School?
I actually wasn’t looking at coding bootcamps at the time. It just so happened that when Holberton School opened, my twin sister happened to be subscribed to the publication ZDNet and sent me an article about Holberton School. Because the first cohort was free, I started thinking, "This makes it accessible, and something I would actually consider."
I knew that other bootcamps were $10,000-$20,000 and I wasn't prepared to make that big of an investment. Once the price was taken out of the equation, I was excited to go to a structured program that would accelerate how much I learn.
Holberton School has a deferred tuition program now right?
Yes, it’s 17% of your income for three years.
Did you want to learn a specific programming language? Was that part of your decision making?
When I read about the Holberton School curriculum, which included C and a couple of other languages, I thought it was cool they covered a low-level programming language. Up until that point, I didn't have specific languages in mind other than front end languages.
Did you consider going back to college and studying computer science instead of doing a bootcamp?
Not really. In my mind, a bootcamp is more focused on learning the skills you need to work in the industry. At college you learn a lot more theory, and I wanted to be able to jump right into the industry once I graduated.
What did you think of the Holberton School interview and application process? I've heard it's quite interesting and fun.
It was great, and engaging the whole time. You start off answering a couple questions about information that you have to find online. Or you had to find out how to do small tasks like encrypting a string with a certain cipher. Once you could demonstrate that you could do that much, you had to share more about yourself, write an essay, and create a video.
In the third stage, you're given access to a forum and asked to work on a website. While working on the website, you had to share your process with other applicants. You could interact with the other people who were applying to Holberton who might end up attending the program with you. I thought that was really cool because it made the application more social, and gave us a sense of community. So that was a very positive experience for me.
I also enjoyed the general process of creating something and having a project at the end of the application where you have a lot of freedom to decide what it looks like. That made it very fun for me. I think it took me about a month in total.
Was your class quite diverse in terms of gender, race, age, life and career backgrounds?
I think it was quite diverse. Students came from many different places and backgrounds than me, so Holberton was an interesting and fun way to meet people from backgrounds that I wasn’t familiar with.
A third of our cohort was female. I’m used to all females because I went to a women's college, but I know that's a higher percentage than other bootcamps, and it was definitely nice to have other women to talk to. We also had people from all sorts of racial backgrounds, which I appreciated.
What was the actual learning experience like at Holberton? Give me an example of a typical day and style of learning.
Standup is at 11:30am, which is when I generally arrived. Early on, we got a new project every day. Later on, when we had longer projects, we got a new project about every three days. You can tackle your project however you want. For the most part, you research on the internet about the concept for that project, learn about it, then start to tackle the tasks. Staff members are on site to answer any questions the students might have about projects, and available to do live coding sessions to help clarify particularly difficult concepts.
I enjoyed that style of learning a lot because it felt like you had a puzzle to solve. You're trying to figure out the solution, what information you need, and if you understand the concept properly. Sometimes you might get stuck and ask your peers. I appreciated the Holberton philosophy about not asking for the answer, but asking, "What about my process or my understanding is right and what about it is wrong, and how can I proceed from there?" That way, you weren't just told how to do things. I think it's more gratifying to figure it out yourself. There was a lot of freedom to approach things at your own pace. You want to keep up with the curriculum, but you can decide how to handle the whole day for yourself.
What was your favorite project that you worked on at Holberton?
The one that sticks out to me was setting up our own DNS servers. I had never heard about the underlying process for domain name resolution before so I found it interesting. To make sure your server is actually working, you have to think about what instructions you implemented and if it’s working as intended. So it tested my understanding a lot.
I was able to figure it out at each step, and that was really satisfying for me to see myself move from one place of understanding to another in the process of setting it up. A lot of us had to struggle a little with it, so when I was able to get it to work, I was really happy about it.
I did all the work to make that magically happen.
After nine months of learning, you look for a job or internship, right? What sort of preparation or career guidance did Holberton School give you for t hat?
In a way, it felt like the whole nine months were preparation because the founders, Julien Barbier and Sylvain Kalache, are very focused on the type of skills that employers in the tech industry are looking for.
For the interview and job search process specifically, Holberton brought in three or four recruiters from different companies such as Palantir and Dropbox. They talked about what they look for in a new hire, what they expect from candidates, and the relationship between a recruiter and a recruitee.
Holberton also started asking us whiteboarding questions that you might get asked in an interview. A couple of them were logic puzzles, and a couple of them were more focused on coding. Holberton wanted us to get practice solving a problem on demand like in an interview. We also had Refineries, which are days devoted to making sure you understand concepts that have been covered in the class, and during those exercises you are also expected to talk through every piece of code you write, like you would in an interview
Holberton also did quite a bit of networking for us and then connected a lot of us to interviews and jobs.
Is that how you found your role at Dropbox?
Yes, definitely. We were asked to apply to jobs on our own, and also apply to any positions that Holberton found that we were interested in. Sylvain reached out to me and a couple of other students who he knew or imagined would be able to do well in the Dropbox interview. Of course, I was interested!
Then Holberton’s contact at Dropbox, Tammy, brought a group of students to the Dropbox office for lunch and we got to meet their team and some people who would likely interview us. We learned about the company and talked to them about ourselves in an informal context. It was a nice way to work out whether we were interested in this opportunity or not, and experience their culture. We then had a week to study a couple of topics to prepare for the on-site interview.
On on-site day, we spent the day at Dropbox being interviewed by several different people, with a different exercise to do in each segment. We all had a very positive experience from that. I think Dropbox spent a lot of time making that interview process engaging and accessible regardless of our experience, while also still finding out if you have the qualities that they're looking for. After that, we had a take-home exercise where we had to create a daemon-like process that monitored log files and produced a report or a summary of the most recent stats every 10 seconds. That was fun and also similar to the problems we were asked to figure out at Holberton. Holberton is unique in that they have one portion of the curriculum focused on Sys Admin/DevOps. I'm not aware of any other program that has that domain in their curriculum.
What are you working on at Dropbox – tell us about the role!
So far, I’ve been in Dropbox’s 4-6 week residency onboarding program. We’ve had a lot of presentations on the architecture of Dropbox software, infrastructure, product, and the company organization.
I'm on the databases team, specifically as a Site Reliability Engineer (SRE), which means I am helping make databases more reliable, more durable, and more accessible. I have a mentor who has been giving me sessions where he focuses on giving me more context about how databases work, how MySQL works, and how Dropbox approaches database and data storage.
Once I’m ramped up on those topics, I'll start on a couple of interesting tasks. One is optimizing the process for backing up data, which is a pretty interesting problem. Then, I can make my first code deployments and learn how code is deployed at Dropbox. It's all been busy but cool.
Have you had to learn many new technologies or programming languages since you started at Dropbox?
Yes, new in the sense that I haven't dealt with it as extensively until now. For my infrastructure onboarding project, they're asking us to code in Go, which I’ve barely used until now. I have been reading about it, trying to understand how it works and trying it out, which is great for me. At Holberton, we had workshops to familiarize ourselves with a couple of different languages. We had one “Discover Go” workshop. For me, it's like revisiting the language and then getting much more hands-on experience with it.
In terms of technology, Dropbox has a lot of different internal tools. They have a specific workflow, so there's a lot for me to learn.
What are your plans for the future? Will you stay at Dropbox full-time or go back to Holberton to continue studying?
The Holberton School curriculum is ideal for me, because after this six-month period in the workforce, there is an optional track to go back to specialize in a certain topic at Holberton, like higher-level learning, systems administration or low-level systems. Dropbox expects employees to build up a lot of technical expertise, so continuing to study with Holberton is another way for me to work up to that.
The Holberton School founders want to make sure that we can participate at Holberton and work at the same time. I definitely plan on going through the extra nine months of specialization, but I'll be working at Dropbox at the same time. I’m on a six-month contract at Dropbox, and then if all goes well, I’ll get hired as a full-time Dropbox employee. My position at Dropbox is a really good opportunity for me to learn and develop expertise on a topic that I wouldn't have been able to otherwise. There are lots of experienced mentors who I can draw from while working on interesting technological problems.
If you continue studying with Holberton School after six months will you do that remotely, part-time while you're working?
I think I will study remotely, part-time with Holberton, but there’s also the option to go back on-site. Holberton is similar to a lot of tech companies in that you're given quite a bit of freedom in how and when you work.
Did you enjoy learning with your twin sister at Holberton School?
My sister and I share a lot of interests. We went to the same college, so it was just like a continuation of that pattern. She was actually hired before me, and was one of the first students to get hired. It’s funny because she got hired at another storage solutions company called Scality, so we ended up being in these similar niche industries. It's a much smaller company, so we get to trade our experiences and compare, which is a lot of fun.
Now that you're in this job, are you able to stay in touch with the other Holberton students?
Since I started working, I've been really busy, but we’re a tight community – we just spent nine months around each other full-time. We still text each other, we invite each other to events. We're all on Slack, which is how we communicated at Holberton. We also participate in hackathons together and see each other at Holberton events.
What is your advice for someone who's thinking about making a career change and going to a coding bootcamp?
If they're hesitating because they're not sure about outcomes, remember that the tech industry has such a high demand for qualified developers right now. If you have time and persistence to keep plugging away at it, this is definitely an industry that you can enter.
To make that transition easier, it's helpful to spend time learning and coding a little bit before actually starting a coding bootcamp. The process of not understanding a concept, then breaking it down and resolving any information you don't know, is useful. Because that's actually a lot of your experience at a program like Holberton, and when you're on the job. I feel that if you get familiar with that process, anyone can do this.
Should I do a coding bootcamp? This is a question we hear all the time, and for good reason. As more coding bootcamps launch (not to mention the rising media coverage), you’re probably wondering, “should I jump on the bandwagon and learn to code?” A recent TechCrunch article implored you not to learn to code unless you’re ready to put in the work to be great, whereas President Obama wants every student to learn computer science in high school. So what types of people are opting for coding bootcamps? And should you be one of them?Continue Reading →
After interviewing Holberton School students, we noticed a trend: they actually enjoyed the application process for the San Francisco-based bootcamp! We wanted to find out what makes the Holberton application special and unbiased, so we sat down with co-founder Julien Barbier to get the scoop. Here, we share what we learned: what to watch out for during the 3-level application process, why it’s designed for beginners, and how the founders created an application that removes bias to promote a diverse student body.
First, tell us your role at Holberton and your role in the admissions process as the co-founder.
I'm a co-founder Holberton School. Since my team and I all worked in the tech industry for years before founding Holberton, we knew there was a problem with diversity, and wanted to build a solution into our school from the start.
As we thought about the admissions process, we wanted to create a cohort of people who have enough potential and deserve to be here. When we think about diversity in terms of quotas etc, I think we lose out in the classroom.
At the same time, we wanted to design a way to remove discrimination and human bias in the process. Bias is encoded in our DNA; as a white, 30-year-old man, you’re going to select others who look/talk/dress like you. We have three levels to our admissions process, two of which are automated, then we interview the applicants who made it through.
What exactly is automated throughout the application?
There are three levels to the application. Level One and Two are automated; Level One is a literacy test, an essay, and a video. Applicants should read and understand English (because our course is done in English). That's essentially the only prerequisite. For instance, we ask questions about the life and history of Betty Holberton.
Next, applicants write an essay on why they want to become a software engineer and why they want to specifically learn at Holberton School. Some candidates will say they watched a movie or read an article or that they know friends who are programmers; others may realize that they’re not passionate about this by simply writing the essay. We want candidates to take the time to understand why they want to do Holberton. In order to write the essay, they need to understand what Holberton School is and how it's different from other colleges or bootcamps options. Otherwise, they may realize that a Holberton is not for them; and if they choose another path thanks to the application, we're happy about it. The software also analyses your essay and calculates a score for you.
The last step in Level One is a small video of yourself between 30 seconds and one minute long so that we can know you better before you start on Level 2: the Project Phase.
How many applicants are accepted into Level Three, the interview phase?
Somewhere around 8% to 10% of the candidates.
What's Holberton School’s acceptance rate overall?
For our last class, it was below 2.5%. We got over 1,300 applications for each of our classes. But don’t be impressed by those numbers. Most of the candidates who were motivated got to Level 3.
After going through a couple of admissions rounds, have you found that your plan was effective? Did you end up getting a diverse applicant pool through to the Interview Phase?
Yes! Actually, the first class was 40% women, 44% people of color. Ages range from 17 to over 50 years old. We did not expect that at all. We especially didn’t expect to see that almost three-quarters of our students had to relocate from outside of the Bay Area.
Has this unique admissions process selected qualified students? What’s the attrition rate at Holberton?
The admissions process tends to select only people who are very motivated, so in the long run, we're going to have a much smaller dropout rate than regular colleges. I think that in America, over 50% of people never finish college. So far, we’ve had two people drop out, which is very, very low considering the intensity of the program. The program is intense, but when you are passionate about something, you’re just happy to work hard.
How long does it typically take for a student to go through the entire application process?
I've heard anywhere from 5 hours to 50 hours. The application isn’t necessarily hard, but it is very time consuming. If you like the application process, that’s also a good sign that you're going to enjoy being at Holberton and being a software engineer.
You can do Level One at your own pace. You have two weeks to finish Level Two (the project).
What kind of technical background does an applicant need before they start the Holberton Application?
Zero. Actually, more than half of our students did zero coding before applying (ie. they had never seen a terminal or used Linux before).
During Level Two, you’ll build an entire project through different steps, and for each step, we drive you towards solving it. At the very beginning, we drive a lot and then a little bit less over time so that you have to really use everything you've learned.
We’ve interviewed a few students at Holberton and they all pointed to Level Two as being a fun learning experience- I was surprised to hear that!
Our goals for the admissions process were to remove bias and tackle diversity, but also to make it fun and educational. Even if you're not admitted to Holberton School, you will have learned a lot during the application process.
At the end of the application, you can show your website to your friends and be proud of what you've built.
It sounds like Level Two is a way to give a technical coding challenge to a complete beginner that doesn't have any experience coding.
Exactly. Plus, because we don’t have traditional “teachers” at Holberton School, a project-based application gives applicants an insight into the Holberton learning environment. As an applicant, you’re learning through a project and interacting with peers- exactly how you’ll learn if you’re admitted.
Applicants interact with peers during the application process??
You interact with all the other candidates via the forum while doing the project at the same time. Once you start Level Two, you have two weeks to finish, and during those two weeks, you can ask questions and help other candidates.
What does your team look for in applicants during the Level Three interviews that indicate they’ll be a successful software engineer?
First, they need a bit of raw talent and motivation, which is usually driven by a passion for the field. For example, an accountant who realizes that their favorite part of the job is creating macros in Excel, so they start to study on the side. Passion drives motivation, and if you have the motivation, you can do anything. Even if you're super smart, without the motivation to go through this intense program, you're not going to succeed (that’s true for everything, not just Holberton School).
Level Three is meant to do what the software cannot. Before the interview, we send reading material that’s based on what they did in Level Two. The goal is to see if they actually did the work that they submitted in Level Two. Cheating is hard for software to catch (although we haven’t had any cases of cheating so far)!
The last thing we want to check during Level Three interviews is that you’re prepared to move to San Francisco and that you really have a financial plan. Hopefully, we will open Holberton School in other cities with lower costs of living, but for now, we're in San Francisco, which means you’ll need at least $1300 a month for rent and living expenses. We also remind applicants of our values.
Is there anything else special about the interview phase that our readers should know?
If possible, we invite applicants to interview at our space so they can see a face behind Holberton School. I also introduce them to our current students so that they can ask questions they would not dare ask me.
What’s new at Holberton School? What have you learned from the first cohorts?
The first Holberton class was totally free; we’re now implementing income share agreements. That means that students don't pay while they're enrolled in Holberton, which is another way we ensure a diverse class. If there is a wall around payments, then only people who can afford tuition will be able to attend. We want to offer this high-quality education to all as we believe that people from every community and background should have the opportunity to become a software engineer. Of course, it’s still in San Francisco, so the cost of living is high, but the pool of talent that can attend Holberton is much broader than any of the other colleges or bootcamps.
When does the next class start and how can people apply?
Our next class is January 30th. Applications are now open and you can start an application here.
Fresh from high school, Marine decided that the traditional university route was not for her. She took a gap year and found herself at an architectural firm in California. Marine knew that there was more to her professional story once she was introduced to coding, and decided to attend Holberton School’s two-year coding school in San Francisco. Find out how Marine is enjoying her time at Holberton School, what projects she has been working on, and her plans for the future.
What was your educational background and career trajectory before you attended Holberton School?
I actually moved to the US from France about two years ago, after finishing high school. After high school, I decided to take a gap year because I really wanted to see all of my options and I was still unfamiliar with the educational system in the US. I have dual Citizenship; my mom is American so the move was a bit easier than expected.
During my gap year, I was working in an architectural firm for about seven months. But at the same time, I really wanted to get involved in either volunteering or some coding. I got in touch with a French lady named Servane Demol who started a program to teach computer science to younger kids ‘code for fun’, and that’s when she introduced me to Holberton School. She thought I might be interested, and indeed I was. I decided to apply to Holberton School in November.
When you started looking at Holberton School, what was it about the school that made you decide to attend?
Since I took a gap year, I was really in search of what I wanted to do, so that really opened a lot of opportunities and options. Once I realized that I wanted to try coding, I tried to learn by myself. But it was really hard because I didn't know where to start, and I was intimidated.
I didn't really look at any other bootcamps after the suggestion from the woman I met. I had this sense that I didn't want to go to a regular university because I felt it would be a bit restricting. I wanted to create instead of having to take a lot of lectures. The French educational system was good because it taught me discipline, and things that I needed in order to grow myself. Yet, four years of university, for me, wouldn't have been as beneficial. My mom kept saying, "You have to pursue education, and you have to keep learning," and I agreed with her. When you open the link on their web page, you see Holberton School is a project-based alternative to college and that really put a spark within me, and I thought, "Okay, this is exactly what I'm looking for." Since the program is two years long, it was good for me because it actually forces you to be committed to the school. Now you have a two-year commitment, so you have to keep going.
Were there any other specific factors that helped sway your decision about joining Holberton like location, price, or programming languages taught?
I was sold. The fact that it is a hands-on program was meaningful for me because that's how I learn. You can teach me and tell me something 20 times, but I won't understand until I do it myself. Also, I enjoyed the fact that there are no courses and it is project based. There are some presentations in the morning, which are really helpful, but having Holberton School be project-based is really nice because you can manage your own time as you as long as you respect the project deadlines.
The other factor I liked was that the school is on site, so you actually have to be physically at school with other people. People are there to help you when you're struggling. We're a class of 32 students - some are remote, some are in different countries - but we still are very connected and help each other, which I think is great. Normally they require you to be on site, but unfortunately, it wasn't possible for some students. We have an audio visual recording system for remote students so that they can still have access to everything that's going on in the school.
Location wise, I had some struggles. I used to live in South Bay, Santa Clara so I had to do the two-hour long commute every day. It was two hours going to school and two hours going home, so it was four hours a day. And that was really, really hard because we had so many projects and deadlines. When you're losing four hours every day commuting and not doing anything, it can be really stressful. I just moved to San Carlos which is an hour away. It's a little better and it makes a huge difference here.
Describe your current program at Holberton School.
The first cohort started in January and the first nine months is intense training to become a full stack software engineer; and then there’s a six-month internship. Holberton School wants you to gain enough experience and explore what you might enjoy doing the most. They want you to have a sense of what future career you would want to pursue. Then, the last nine months are specialized for your interests and your goals for after the school.
Tell us about the structure of your day. What is a typical day like?
I try to be here at 9:00am. The projects are usually released the night before around 1:00am and if we're learning a new concept during that project, there will usually be a presentation in the morning. It’s mainly just a quick introduction into the concept so that you can go and then continue learning by yourself.
Project wise, there will be around four to five projects a week and sometimes there will be group projects for bigger tasks. In addition, we have meetups of people from the industry that will come into the school and do a quick presentation on, either their applications and how you can use it, or to teach a language that we're not aware of. It’s really nice that industry professionals are willing to come to the school to teach us and keep us updated on the latest technologies. We also have deep learning courses with school mentors.
How has this learning experience helped you? How is it different from high school?
It was really intense because I was very new to programming and computer science. So I was learning from scratch. I was really motivated and considered myself a sponge because I had to soak up everything, but it was very difficult. It really pushed me to persevere. Holberton School always tries to push you out of your comfort zone so that you keep learning, keep evolving, and keep getting stronger.
Learning by myself is what I prefer. I like to go my own pace and search for the things I need. Here at Holberton School, I’m also learning how to learn, which I know I'll need in the future. In the industry, everything keeps evolving and you have to keep learning.
Which programming languages have you really enjoyed? What are you currently working on?
Right now, we're working on a bigger project, an Airbnb Clone. We're actually doing it from scratch so we have to replicate a database and make a full web structure.
I’ve enjoyed the Twitter Clone project the best because I like being creative and I like seeing an end product.
Walk us through the interview process for Holberton School. What was that like?
The application process is three levels. Level one consists of short technical questions that are very easy. They just want to see how you would react.
Level two was where you actually have to build a website using Linux, HTML and CSS. That was a lot of fun because again, you can use your creativity and come up with something that you like, and then you can show it to other people. Once I started creating my website, I was just hooked on wanting to attend Holberton School. I was so happy when I submitted it. They replied back to me asking me for an onsite interview, so that was level three. During the interview, they ask you questions about yourself to see if you're a good fit. Then ask you a technical question, which puts you to a nice type of stress when trying to answer. They sent me an email again, saying that I was accepted for their January cohort. I was very happy with how the process went.
You said you started to learn a little code on your own. What resources were you using?
I used Codecademy and Open Classrooms. There was also a French resource that I was familiar with. Oh, and I used a lot of YouTube tutorials videos.
Tell us about your cohort at Holberton School. What were the demographics and how was your experience?
We're 32 students and we all have different backgrounds and ethnicities. I think Holberton School did a great job of creating a group that is so diverse because it makes us very strong- we get along very well. There are students at various ages as well. I'm only 19 because I started this program after high school, but it’s great to see that there are other students around my age, and then there are some students who are older. In addition, there are people from different countries who are learning remotely.
Does Holberton School have conversations about women in coding?
Yes. We have had conversations for women in coding, and have had meetups to meet women in the industry. Being a woman learning code is very nice because we don't feel excluded at all. We feel powerful, and we feel like we have a presence in this industry. It’s super helpful when you see how many women are strong, and really want to make a difference. You’re able to see that you're not alone, and you begin to think, "Okay, I can do this too."
Tell us about the instructors and mentors at Holberton School.
I'm not sure of how many mentors there are total, but there's a lot of them in the industry that are willing to grab a quick lunch and discuss ideas. Some students have a personal mentor, someone that will be assigned to help them when they have questions. There are also mentors that come to do presentations.
We have four people on site every day with us. So if we have questions, even though we should always ask our peers first, mentors are always here no matter what. If you have any questions besides what's going on in your project, then you can always talk to someone which is really nice.
What has been the biggest challenge for you at Holberton School?
You really need a lot of mental strength and perseverance because especially with coding, it's not going to work the first time. So you have to continue to try, even when you don’t feel like it, and that's definitely challenging.
Has Holberton School started doing any prep for job or internship searching?
Yes. We’ve done a lot of training/interview prep for the internship section of the program. We had mentors come in, such as one from Google, who gave presentations on how to prepare yourself for an interview, and how to tackle technical interview questions. We have a lot of help in that direction. Holberton School staff tell us that if we do feel confident about getting a job, then just go for it and take the job. If you have a good job opportunity, and that's what you're looking for, just take it. They’re really open to students doing what’s best for them.
What do you plan to pursue once you finish Holberton School?
I joined the program to help me learn coding because I was learning by myself and realized that I needed help. I needed structure, something to guide me. I joined Holberton School with that mentality and now that I am learning and gaining these new skills, I see what the industry is looking for and it makes me more confident in pursuing a career even right after the school. You do learn a lot! It's amazing how much I’ve learned in such a short amount of time, and I almost feel ready for the internship. I'm pretty sure after the internship, I'll have a pretty good idea of what direction I want to go in.
Before Holberton School, I tried to learn mobile development in order to make mobile apps. We have learned a little bit of mobile at school and that’s what I was leaning towards mobile development.
Any last thoughts on your experience attending Holberton School?
I think because it's a new school, and it's very fast pace, and motivating. And also the pricing of the school, the financial system of the school – I think it's a very good system.
There’s no upfront tuition, but you repay 17% of your salary for at least three years after you get the job. And that's only if you get a job. If you don't get a job, you don't pay back the school.
Welcome to the July 2016 Course Report monthly coding bootcamp news roundup! Each month we look at all the happenings from the coding bootcamp world from new bootcamps to big fundraising announcements, to interesting trends. This month the biggest trends this month are initiatives to increase the diversity in tech, some huge investments in various bootcamps, and more tech giants launching their own coding classes. Read below or listen to our latest Coding Bootcamp News Roundup Podcast!Continue Reading →
At age 18, Josh opted out of university in the UK and moved to San Francisco to learn to code at Holberton School. Now he's five months in and about to launch his own app. We spoke to Josh to find out why he decided to do a two-year intensive coding bootcamp, instead of a four-year computer science degree, how he’s adjusting to a new city, and all about his new company!
What was your educational background before you decided to go to Holberton School?
I was about to go to a traditional university in the UK (where I’m from). I'd always been interested in technology. I've been building computers and coding since 11 years old.
I was looking for an excuse to dedicate all of my time to coding, and I had talks with my parents about leaving school. We talked about learning on my own and not going to university because I really didn't like the way the education system worked. My mum wasn't so keen about the idea of me just leaving, but I never felt that I really fit in. I really didn't see myself going to university and studying computer science there, quite frankly because the curriculum just isn't very good. I heard about Holberton through a friend, applied and then a couple of months later, here I am in San Francisco.
How much coding did you know before attending Holberton?
I already knew a couple of programming languages before I came to Holberton. I had been really into computer hardware and then it transitioned over into software. I taught myself Python, and I was working on some projects on the side. Holberton was more of a way to formalize my learning and dive deeper- there are subjects we're covering which I probably would not have been able to unlock on my own.
Did you look at any other coding bootcamps in the UK before deciding on Holberton School?
No, I wasn’t looking at other schools. I heard about General Assembly on Twitter and applied. But once I found out the cost, I decided that I really wasn't looking to pay any money upfront for a bootcamp. That’s also one of the biggest reasons I didn’t want to go to university. I didn't want to end up in a huge amount of debt.
Was the deferred tuition option at Holberton a big part of your decision in terms of cost?
That was a huge part of the decision. I really didn't want to have to take out any loans or spend any of my money or my family's money on the course. Holberton School was a much cheaper option. I was very keen to come to San Francisco. I already had some friends here and they were an active part of Holberton School. One of my friends is a mentor here, so that was another reason why I decided to come.
When you were making the decision to come to Holberton, was it important for you to learn a specific programming language or stack?
At the beginning they didn't exactly tell us the complete core programming languages we were covering. Instead, they focus on making you a full stack engineer who knows a lot of programming languages through projects. They almost said, "Whatever you want to be proficient in, that's up to you, and we're going to help you get to that stage."
What attracted you to a two-year program rather than a 12-week program? There are quite a few other coding bootcamps that offer shorter programs.
I was worried about the level of knowledge you could acquire in a shorter program as opposed to two years because if you spend two years learning, as you can imagine, it’s going to be more in-depth. I just think you would obviously learn more over two years.
How did you find the Holberton School application and interview process?
The application and interview process was split into three stages. The first stage was an essay. The second stage was to create an entire website in any language of your choice. We had to setup our own server and install the website from there, then write some HTML, CSS, and basically create what we needed from scratch. Stage three was just a Skype interview. I thought it was a good way to approach the interview, especially to filter out applicants for the school.
Compared with admission for a university, I knew just from the application process whether I would fit in at Holberton, and what I was going to learn.
For people who are interested but not sure how they're going to get on and how they're going to learn, the Holberton application can help answer those questions. And it's also fun!
I think it should be really important to have a huge interest in programming if it’s going to be your career. If you’re not passionate and interested in it, and doing it in your spare time, you're going to struggle to become the best engineer as you can be. It does require a lot of time.
What's your class like at Holberton?
We're from all over, and the age range is also varied. I am not the youngest; I've got a friend who's 17 and one who is 19. The average age is probably around 25 to 30. My cohort is made up of all nationalities, people from different countries, and different ages.
How have you found the learning experience so far? What is it like learning in this environment?
Holberton School teaches you how to learn. They give you projects; we had one on SQL recently. A mentor would tell us, "Okay, you need to add a person to this database and then you have to go to Google and research how to do that." They give you a project or a task, and then it's up to you to figure out how to go and do it. That's the way it's taught, but we also do have recaps, and we cover key topics together. In the morning, we may cover object-oriented programming in Python for example, or sometimes we've had machine learning meetups where it's a four-hour intensive learning course on machine learning, or a big presentation lead by some industry experts on iOS.
What do you think of this project-based peer learning approach compared with your own experience of learning before, for example when you were at high school?
I definitely prefer it because I'm in charge of what I decide to learn and the way I decide to do it. There are infinite ways and means as to how you want to learn. We recently had a hackathon, and I think this is probably one of the best ways to learn; where you have an idea or you get on a project, and you have to figure out how to build it over a certain amount of time.
A couple of years ago I wanted to make a bitcoin lottery, so I figured it out. I went from having no knowledge of it to figuring out how to do it. And in doing that, I learned three programming languages. I think project-based peer learning is one of the most powerful ways in which we can learn.
I know that you don't have formal teachers at Holberton, but I'm interested in how often you do actually interact with Holberton staff and mentors.
It's more open. It's not on a schedule. If you have a question, you just go over and ask; but only if you can't figure it out yourself. We interact with mentors as much as we need or want to, but there are dedicated time slots for mentors. Mentors will do a meetup at the school or a presentation. We had someone from Uber come in and do a presentation about how Uber managed to scale their backend to reach 99% uptime. I don't think I've ever been at Holberton, unless it's super late or super early, when the founders or mentors weren’t there.
What has been the biggest challenge for you at Holberton so far?
I'd say, perhaps the biggest challenge is learning to fit in with others in my group and learning the soft skills elements. I had to learn how to help someone with their own problem, while seeing their perspective. Holberton School created this unique demographic of people that you wouldn't get if you went to university. It creates an environment where people learn in very different ways, and opens your eyes to other ways of doing things.
Do you work together a lot with the other people in the class?
As much as you want to. If you need help, then you could probably go to anyone in the class and work with them. Sometimes, students do walkthroughs or presentations on technology for others. I could do a live coding session or something on the whiteboard, and everyone could join if they want.
Do you have a way of giving feedback about the program if you have problems?
We have a captain's log. Every Sunday we have to fill in a smiley face- happy, neutral, or sad- to reflect our learning experience. We give feedback on what we learned this week, our biggest breakthrough, etc. Then hopefully they're going to take into account.
What is your favorite project that you've worked on so far at Holberton?
For me it was the hackathon that we did recently. My teammate and I came up with the idea to build an API which could work with Arduinos in your home so anyone could automate their home. And for me, that was one of the coolest things because although we had to use Docker, it was almost completely open as to what we wanted to build and how we wanted to build it, and I learned a lot that way. That was the most exciting to me.
Holberton has an internship section. Are you going to be able to participate in that?
No, I won't be able to do that in the US with my visa, but I could do it in the UK. I'm working on my own app at the moment, so it's likely that I might want to spend the six-month internship developing my own app. Holberton said that rather than doing an internship, you can also do your own startup. So that's another aspect to look at, and I could actually do that here under this visa. Holberton School is generally quite flexible with this kind of things, so it's nice.
What's your overall plan for what you want to do when you graduate from Holberton? Do you want to get a job as a developer?
I'm more likely to start something myself. I'm not too interested in working for someone else in a job. That’s one of the biggest reasons why Holberton was so attractive to me: it was a different way of learning and it allowed for this entrepreneurial type of trajectory.
And are you able to tell us about your app idea or is it a secret?
I've been working on this for four months and we're just finishing it now. The app is called Loop and the idea is that you can send photos or videos to individual areas. If you think of Snapchat and then sending it to a person or story, but instead you're sending it to an area. So if I'm in San Francisco and I've got a party going on, or if I'm at a school like Stanford, and I'm taking a picture of something funny, I can send it to the Stanford loop. Then everyone who's subscribed to that loop can see the post in there. We're very, very close to finishing. My co-founder is creating the Android app. We're both working on the iOS app, and I'm making the API.
You said that you are planning to do your own business when you graduate, but do you know if Holberton provides any help with job searching?
I'm sure they do because the network that the founders have is vast. I speak to the founders quite regularly about my app, and they're always helpful. They tell me that if I want help or need them to put me into contact with the VCs, even the VCs that are investing in Holberton then they are happy to do that. They're definitely going to help you try to get a job.
What has it been like so far, moving countries and living in San Francisco?
I love it really. It was definitely one of the biggest factors in moving here. Moving to San Francisco is like going from a world where I was the only one who was working in tech to then walking down the street, and there's a guy next to you talking about APIs. If you’re in line at Starbucks, it’s almost guaranteed that the guy behind you works in tech. That's really awesome. It's also nice to be away from parents and have your own freedom to do what you want.
What advice do you have for people who are considering going to an intensive bootcamp to learn how to code?
Coming to Holberton has made me realize how much people really don't care about degrees and how much you can learn by yourself. Employers don't really need to see a degree to know how good you are in tech. If this is what you want, then don't worry about going down an untraditional route.
As a technical writer for 12 years, Zee Adams had always loved new technology, but when she decided to start her own business she realized she needed to learn to code. Now Zee is four months into the two-year, full-time full stack program at Holberton School in San Francisco, CA. The program is made up of nine months of learning on site, a six-month internship, then another nine months of remote learning. We spoke to Zee about why she chose a long form program over a 12-week bootcamp, how her fellow classmates are teaching and learning from each other, and how much she’s enjoyed the Holberton experience right down to the application process!
What’s your pre-bootcamp story? What were you up to until you started Holberton School?
I've been a technical writer for over 12 years and have always found it interesting. It was a great challenge to learn about new things and have to write about them, which is how I kept myself engaged in the tech world. I wrote software manuals, how-tos, study guides, etc.
I've also always been interested in starting my own company. I'm a bit of a techie, and love to follow new tech trends. I found myself with a business partner and a good EdTech idea but no technical skills. We realized we needed to learn how to program.
What did you study at college originally?
My undergraduate degree is in Sociology from the University of Ottawa. After years of working in the tech field as a technical writer, I got a Master's degree in Engineering for Technology Innovation Management at Carleton University.
Did you try to learn to code on your own at all before you thought about a coding bootcamp?
I tried to teach myself on and off for about two and a half years. I did Code Academy, Coursera, Stack Social, and I registered in several online MOOCS. I found that they expected me to have some level of experience. It’s difficult to know what you're getting wrong and how to correct it in an online course.
Because of my college coursework and working full time, I didn't have much time to dedicate to learning online. When you’re learning to code, it's difficult to pinpoint where to begin and how everything is connected. Since I started Holberton School four months ago, I feel like I've learned more in the last four months than those two years of trying to hack away at online courses on my own.
As you researched coding bootcamps, what stood out to you about Holberton School?
When I started researching, I still lived in Canada, so I looked at Lighthouse Labs and I also looked at Make School.
The Holberton application was incredible – it challenged me to actually create a project as part of the application process. I spent about 50 to 60 hours applying for the school. I also liked the way the founders connected and engaged with me - which I found other schools didn’t do.
The opportunity Holberton School provides is something I'd be foolish not to pursue. The learning environment is incredible, but the support system is what really attracted me the most. They have such a strong, vibrant mentor network. When I was first accepted, the students were added to a Slack group with all the mentors. I also like the fact that Holberton School is project-based learning, as opposed to the very formal system you see at university.
Why did you decide on a two-year program over a shorter, 10-12 week coding bootcamp?
I personally needed a more in-depth learning experience with access to a full stack curriculum. I’m learning front end, back end, low-level programming, high-level programming, and gaining soft skills for a technical environment. These things are difficult to teach in a short time period.
Holberton School also includes the opportunity for a six-month internship, which allows you to get firsthand experience. Then you come back to the school to work further on what interests you. It’s hard to put a value on that experience, because you're taking all the cool things you want to do and really getting the chance to focus on them.
Did you ever consider a four-year computer science degree instead of two-year bootcamp?
I did. And my only issue was I already had an undergrad and masters degrees. Many of the courses that fulfill the degree requirements for Computer Science felt like fillers to me. The core courses would not have taken four years to complete.
It seemed too redundant. Whereas at Holberton, I'm focusing on learning the core tech skills I need, but not having to take unnecessary courses.
Holberton School offers a deferred tuition model where you pay your tuition at the end as a percentage of your salary. Was that part of your decision?
Absolutely. A lot of bootcamps ask for $10-15,000 upfront, which is prohibitive, especially if you have to relocate. Plus, it's not cheap to live in San Francisco. The deferred tuition model also shows that Holberton School really believes in the school because they believe you will get a high paying job after graduating. You can't really go wrong with somebody who believes that much in their product.
You mentioned spending 50-60 hours on the Holberton application. What else can you tell us about the interview process?
The first part of the application is a short quiz to see how you handle basic UNIX commands. Then you write a Medium article of why you want to be a student at Holberton School, where you came from, and why you want to be a software engineer.
The second level project is building your own site from scratch. It's pretty intense. They gave us just enough information to be able to use Google sufficiently and links to information like W3Schools, but I had to learn a lot by myself. They wanted us to really understand what's behind each of the technologies we're using.
Then you make a one-minute YouTube video explaining something really cool about yourself. Finally, you have an interview, which is intense because they give you a 20-minute test, and a 20-minute interview.
That sounds like a really intense application process.
It really was. Although it’s easy to dread applications, but we kept telling each other in the Slack channel, "I've never had so much fun applying for something."
How large is your class right now at Holberton? Is it diverse in terms of age, gender, race and backgrounds?
Our cohort is 32 students. Ages range from 17 to 50+. 40% are women, which has been really amazing, and about 44% are minorities or people of color. We've got just about every background here: some have just graduated from high school, others dropped out of college, some studied computer science, and others were in sales and customer service.
The founders of Holberton School truly believe in equality and inclusion. They want the concept of diversity to be the norm. The blind selection process, where candidates go through a number of levels before the interview, showed them that women were quite successful and diversity naturally exists when we remove bias.
The magic of Holberton is that they don’t require any prior knowledge of coding, so it attracted diverse people from diverse backgrounds. It makes for a very rich environment. We have good strong debates, and when we are problem solving, everybody has a different way of looking at a problem.
Where is the Holberton School campus and what is it like?
It's in downtown San Francisco's financial district and it's incredible. We're walking distance to many of the tech offices that I visited. It's central, which means that mentors can drop in because they work nearby. We have a single floor location and it's outfitted with all of our computers, a nice kitchen area, meeting rooms, and the administration area.
What's the learning experience like at Holberton School? Tell us about a typical day!
We start our mornings working on the current project. If there is no project available, you expand your knowledge base by researching and learning on your own. Occasionally we have a quick group review of a certain topic if a lot of students have questions. If some students understand a topic better, they can teach others. When somebody has had a really difficult time with a certain topic, they take that learning experience and share it with the group by inviting everyone to a live coding session.
We also host meetups at the school – one of those is with our two artificial intelligence mentors and industry titans, Gregory Renard and Louis Monier. Louis Monier is pretty much the father of the search engine – he created AltaVista. We have fireside chats with different mentors to learn what made them successful in the industry.
Which programming language or technology stack does Holberton use in their curriculum?
I read that Holberton School doesn't have formal teachers. How does that work for you as a student?
We have an intranet where our projects get posted, which is updated in the morning. Each project has a small summary at the top with what documents you need to read, helpful links, a bit of a background, and tasks. We ask for help through the same Intranet. If we get stuck on a task, other students can see who needs assistance. Plus we have our Slack forum to keep track of each other and communicate.
What is your favorite project you've worked on? Did you work on your own or in a group?
My favorite project so far is my Twitter Clone. We usually work on individual projects, but for this we worked as a team and it was a great way to learn the syntax. We also just finished a shell project where we built our own Unix-like shell which was insanely difficult but fun. Some of us did it in a group of two people and others did it on their own.
How many hours do you normally commit to Holberton School each week?
We study six days a week, 8-14 hours per day. Most of the time is spent learning concepts but it's also spent interacting with our classmates to try to build our knowledge base. It's very intense and I think people should know that once you start, all of your time is committed to Holberton.
What has been the biggest challenge for you so far?
The biggest challenge is shifting my mentality out of academia. I’m used to having a syllabus, a book to read, a professor who tells me exactly how I should learn, and a very controlled environment. Here, it's the opposite. I am given instruction in terms of what I need for the project, but there's a lot of value in making my own learning decisions. I decide which information seems really important, and I’m forced to ask questions when I don't know enough. The peer learning process is showing us the difference between giving somebody an answer versus giving somebody a direction to look for the answer.
You’re four months through the nine-month course, and then you’ll go onto an internship. Are you assigned an internship?
From the start, Holberton School is getting us comfortable with networking. We have meetups at the school, and we also do company site visits. I've visited Google, Uber, LinkedIn, Docker, SalesForce, and Github. The mentors tell us which companies have opportunities, and provide a support system to be able to start securing our internship positions in the next two to three months. Internships start at the end of September.
What preparation do you get from Holberton School to help with job hunting?
We stay as engaged as possible online with mentors, people in the industry, and things that are interesting to us. If I'm interested in machine learning, then I would seek out people in that community. We also work on our LinkedIn profiles to ensure they are up to date, and on our social media presence.
We are encouraged to attend meetups in the community on topics that interest us so we can find contacts and create networks. We are also being taught how to interview, to be confident in expressing our skills so we can tell people with confidence about what we've learned.
Is your goal still to start your own business when you graduate? What’s your idea?
I'm really interested in edtech. One of my biggest passions is to be able to expand the potential for edtech in under-served areas, creating technologies to facilitate development of education in third world countries.
And we have the option to also work on our startup and get support in helping us build it if that's what we choose to do, while we're at school, after the first nine months and internship. Holberton is very supportive in that regard. The internship will give me the necessary experience to go out and actually use what I've been learning. I am really intent on pursuing my interest of becoming a startup founder, but I expect to be working as well. Once I'm in a position of having to work full time, my startup will be my part-time passion.
If you choose to start your own company, how does the deferred tuition work?
If you are pursuing a startup, the agreement here is you would be paying a percentage of your salary from the startup equal to the agreed upon amount.
What advice do you have for people who are considering a coding bootcamp or a longer program like Holberton School?
My best advice for anybody researching bootcamps is to look for something specific. Do you want a quick program to get some technical skills to enter into the workforce immediately? Or do you want to have a longer, in-depth learning experience?
Also, be okay with not being good at coding and not knowing enough. If you're a complete beginner, perseverance is the name of the game. You have to overcome your personal demons of feeling like coding isn’t for you. You'll realize very quickly that you have great days and terrible days, but the great days will always outweigh the terrible days. Now that I'm four months into Holberton, I’m having less and less difficult days and more and more great days.
Is there anything else you wanted to add about Holberton School?
I want to emphasize how important the attitude of the founders has been in really creating this environment for us. They've fostered something really special here.
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