Sabio is a developer community offering 12-week full-time coding bootcamps in Los Angeles and Orange County. Sabio focuses on .NET/C# and trains across the full-stack in Mobile, Front End, Back End, Source Control, Database and Development platforms. Its project-based learning curriculum and pedagogy provide a superior training experience that exposes its students to the full software development life cycle.
The Sabio curriculum prepares students for entry-level developer jobs by including a real-world project for a client and 4 weeks of career support and guidance. Students also get 6-12 weeks of instructor-led pre-work before starting the intensive bootcamp. All students have access to Sabio's extended mentorship and their professional development program for five years. Sabio instructors have over 100 years of combined professional software engineering experience. Their commitment to small classrooms and expert instruction gives students an edge when competing in the job market.
Sabio is approved by the state of California and is also a founding member and current board member of CIRR, a coding industry organization seeking to provide transparency in outcomes reporting, illustrating their commitment to student outcomes and truth in advertising. Sabio innovates based on experience, expertise and market knowledge.
Applicants do not need previous programming experience, but individuals with prior experience are placed in a faster track than others. The application process at Sabio identifies motivated and engaged students from a variety of backgrounds. Past students include those with advanced degrees in Computer Science, Engineering but also Musicology, Psychology, Finance, Mathematics and many others. All applicants should have a great personality, work ethic, and ability to solve basic logic problems.
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- Results Will Vary- 3/10/2020Anonymous • Student • Campus: Los AngelesI attended Sabio in 2019 in their full-time full-stack program. My experience was mixed. My purpose in writing this review is not to talk badly about Sabio but to offer a perspective that seems to be missing from the other reviews on here.
1. Other Reviews: Yes there are some great success stories. Some graduates do get jobs soon after graduation with good salaries and with good companies. But, this is definitely not the norm, and most students struggle for months and months if not a year or years to land a job, if they ever get one. The reviews on the site are thus very misleading and do not represent the overall success rate.
There are many factors that go into getting a job. In my cohort the students who got jobs (or even interviews) had a few things going for them, be it prior coding experience, experience in a related field, or a good education background.
Also it should be noted that a fair number of these 'reviews' are written or paraphrased by a person working with Sabio. That is why a lot of them sound similar. The information is accurate, but it is based on an interview with the person writing the review. Sabio gently pushes it's successful grads to post reviews, or to speak with their review writer person to get the positive reviews up.
2. Instructors: Before I enrolled in the bootcamp, Sabio advertised their program as having all senior instructors who were not just former students. In fact, ALL the instructors (minus the founder) ARE ALL former students. Looking at their linkedin profiles, these instructorss average just a few years experience. So, I wouldn't say they are "senior" instructors by any stretch of the imagination. In working with them, some of them are definitely better than others. Apparently in the past Sabio had very senior instructors but this is no longer the case.
Often, when working with instructors, it was very mixed how much they would help you. Some would help you very quickly and then move on, not checking to see if you understood. Some students decided to record interactions with this instructor and watch it later to get everything he said. Another instructor would give you breadcrumbs and tell you to figure it out and we sometimes felt it was because he didn't know the answer.
3. Curriculum: If you are thinking that you will be 'taught' many things during the actual bootcamp, think again. Sabio is not like going to college or any other traditional school. Most of the 'teaching' involves watching videos. Lots and lots of videos. When learning a new skill the assignment typically involves watching 1-6 hours of videos over the course of a day or two.
There are no tests or graded assignments that test for understanding. Halfway through there was a surprise coding test but it was never graded and no one found out how they did on it.
Sabio does put a lot of work into making new videos so that's good. But it just wasn't a great way to learn as it was very passive and there was no way to really check if you were absorbing it. Usually students were told to watch the videos at the end of the day after the instructors had gone home, so if there was a problem with the lesson, or questions, there was no one to ask. Also, I could have watched youtube videos if I wanted to learn that way.
There is little classroom teaching in the traditional sense, and the teaching that is done is all on video zoom calls across three campuses. So everyone in your cohort jumps on a zoom call and one instructor goes over a topic. For me, I would have preferred in-class teaching with an instructor. The zoom calls were sometimes glitchy and impersonal and students tended not to ask questions for some reason, often because we were all so confused.
The primary purpose of the instructors is to answer questions on the que. The way Sabio works is if you don't understand something you get on the que and wait for someone to help you, usually on a zoom call. Most people would be on the que about 1-3 times a day. The crazy thing is each campus has an instructor but your que call might be answered by someone else at another campus, so you may not talk to the 'instructor' at all in your room for the whole day. This always felt like a weird way to do things.
So, most of your day at Sabio is spent stumbling around, googling for resources online, or working with your cohort to figure out what is going on. Finding the answer without help is an important skill to learn when you are programming, and Sabio does do a good job of instilling this practice, out of necessity. But, I feel a bootcamp's main purpose should be to teach base knowledge, not just how to google answers.
4. Outcomes: Is it worth it? It is so hard to get accurate statistics about bootcamp job outcomes. Sabio reports their data on the School Performance Fact Sheet: https://sabio.la/legal/SPFS%20from%20BPPE%20-%202017-2018.pdf. Looking at their data, as well as data from other schools, the results are all over the map and often seem misleading. What jobs are "in the field"? Also, these are all self-reported statistics so the accuracy and completenesss can vary.
All I know for certain are the results from the cohorts before and after me. In my cohort, less than half have jobs approaching a year out. From a cohort ahead of me, less than a quarter have a job. Of those who do get jobs, like I said before, there were common factors that likely led to their success: previous experience, good education, or professional experience in a related field. Most students do not get jobs, much less even interviews. Companies simply say that they need people with more experience.
Final thoughts: So take all the reviews (including mine) with a grain of salt and know that the very positive ones are not really the norm. Of course students with great outcomes will be featured on Sabio's website and in these reviews because Sabio pushes that.
I think there is a fear among recent grads without great outcomes to speak out about Sabio, and bootcamps in general, for various reasons. Students spend more than $10,000 for the camp and don't want to feel like it wasn't a good investment. Also, Sabio is a community and speaking out could break bonds and make enemies. Many grads seem to drift away and find jobs in other industries.
In the end, for me the bootcamp was helpful but I have learned more outside the bootcamp and would recommend that people really consider free resources available online before making a decision. Coding is hard and learning to be a full-stack developer in 3 months, while technically kinda possible, is not very likely for most people. It takes computer professionals years and years, often with undergraduate and graduate degrees to become developers/programmers. As long as you're in it for the long haul you can be successful, but the idea that a bootcamp can magically make this happen is often not realistic.
Response From: Liliana Monge of SabioTitle: Gregorio RojasWednesday, Mar 11 2020To the person that wrote this review, they should certainly add their name so that we can have a honest conversation.
This statement is 100% a lie.
"Also it should be noted that a fair number of these 'reviews' are written or paraphrased by a person working with Sabio. "
*Sabio Fellows are interviewed for our BLOG. Not for Course Report. It is impossible for us to create reviews on Sabio's Course Report Review Page.
*Regarding no teaching this is also 100% inaccurate. I know our Senior Instructors provide all of our students instruction every day. No other coding bootcamp has content / code files, created by a Senior Technical Professional like Gregorio and has Senior Instructors on staff for the entire day. Instructors arrive at 8:30 am - 7pm. Also, we are around on the weekends to help.
We also provide students with help for years after they graduate. We have grads not only getting jobs, but also launching successful companies, and raising money to hire other fellows.
Please reach out on Slack so that we can communicate further.
Sincerely, Liliana Aide Monge
- Dont believe the Hype- 5/3/2019Anonymous • Student • Course: Full Stack .Net Back-End with React Front End • Campus: Los Angeles
If you are self motivated with confidence to accomplish any task, I would recommend going to a different bootcamp. Reasons, you ask? Here are several top reasons:
1. Leadership - They operate from a sense of entitlement and authoritarianism, they are not there to serve but to be served. In my years of being a leader in other positions, I had never met leaders with such arrogance because they knew how to write code from their 10-15 years of experience, this attitude and action is a problem in the tech community. Rather than be of service by guiding gently, my cohort and I were met with a response of aloofness. Despite this being a major turnoff and my personal leadership wanting to put this pride to shame, I simply kept focused because google would not fail me in help. On the other hand, my cohort mates were left to wander and struggle through the wall, maybe they had add/adhd and were unable to read documentation like I did(who knows what people are going thru). Ultimately, many of my cohort mates did not really learn effectively and left bootcamp with a shattered sense of confidence ( I felt horrible for them and could not help them during bootcamp as I would have liked due to my own objectives during bootcamp, I cant be the instructor.)
2. Code - As previously stated, entitlement and arrogrance often leads to laziness. There source code was outdated and I believe it had not been updated for 3 years. We were not using the latest and greatest....Which leads you to ask? "If instructors are not coding and updating with the times, what in the world is the leadership doing? Besides getting a full belly.
3. Curriculum - The course program will ultimately teach you what you have to learn as far as basics. If you have the ability to learn quickly, by being given the basics which all coding bootcamps will do; ultimately you will learn how to think like a programmer and get a job. Now for some folks, they do not know how to think through major blockades or obstacles, maybe they do not have the life experience in order to overcome. This is where again leadership comes to play, in effectively helping students to think logically in approaching problem solving. This aspect, which could slow down a project was lacking. If you are not a problem solver, develop that before coming to this bootcamp, by solving your own coding problems with different exisiting free projects like freecodecamp and others.
4. Job - What matters to the reader..."Did you get a job?". I pivoted into being an entrepeneur which I will not disclose as this would allow leadership at this authoritarian bootcamp to discover my identity, I rather live in quiet and peace. However, I am writing this review in response to cohort members who still do not have jobs and are suffering economic struggle without the promised help of 5 year mentorship. That is a outright lie. As for me, I did end up finding something that pays at similar to higher levels outside of tech because of my experience at this disastrous bootcamp. I was able to navigate this negative environment and conquer my goals. If I could solve this disaster I thought, "I can do anything really". I ultimatelly decided a future in tech where I would have to deal with this toxic culture, which is coming to surface here with this review on Sabio but also companies like Google, FB, etc.
Out of my group of 10 plus, only three have come out with a job. Of those three that I know have a job. Two have denounced Sabio not even using them as references.
I leave you with the truth.
Believe the hype? or Truth?
Response From: Gregorio Rojas of SabioTitle: FounderFriday, May 10 2019
I will start the same way I start every cohort we kick off at Sabio. I do not know everything. I have to ask questions and I have to look somethings up as well. If after so many years of programming, if I still have to ask questions, then everyone in the room should feel comfortable asking questions. Coding, after all, is a lifelong learning endeavor.
This is not to say that we, and I, do not have opinions. I personally, have strong opinions, based on decades of experience, not just a class.
Our commitment to our Fellows speaks for itself. Liliana and I remain dedicated to our Fellows well after they graduate. For example, almost every weekend I answer messages from current and past students. We connect Fellows with jobs directly. ALL. THE. TIME.
We are currently training the latest .Net, Node and React technologies. Our Node curriculum currently implements experimental features which some may question as being too bleeding edge. We are also using the most modern tools and IDE's.
That said, there are many resources we use that are years old. However, there many things in software development that have not changed in years and are, by every other measure, just ancient. I simply disagree that having these things documented and presented to you is somehow bad. Functional programming, for example, is probably older than you. That does not make it obsolete.
Both Liliana and I have a very hands approach to Sabio. This will naturally rub some people the wrong. This is especially true, if you think we should be doing things differently because ironically, many people that come to us for our guidance and advise feel they know better. Since you started your own business, this make sense. You think you know better. Great. We do too. I think that is one of the first things the drives people to start their own efforts. The desire to do things for themselves in a way that makes them happy. However, your opinions do not invalidate ours, especially in our community.
Why not just post this under your real name 🤔? Because despite you branching out to other efforts and clearly not liking us very much, you still find our Sabio community valuable. You still value your ability to reach out to us personally. This truth you just cannot handle, so you lash out online.
We wish you well. See you on our awesome Slack space where you can search through our message history going back for years and network with hundreds of awesome developers.
- Anonymous • Software Engineer II • Graduate • Campus: Orange County
Sabio is entirely a product of what you are willing to put in to it. Sabio's curriculum is top notch, and Sabio truly does give you the tools and direction to land multiple offers the first couple weeks out of school (even a Senior position), but please don't make the mistake of thinking that doing the bare minimum is going to guarantee results.There was a direct correlation between people who studied outside of class, stayed at Sabio late, and/or put up big WakaTime numbers, to people who landed gigs quickly. You could get away with putting in 40 hours a week, but at the end of the camp you'd be down about 480 hours on the people that put in 80. When you graduate, and compare your best feature to the jQuery you were writing in prework, then consider what you could have accomplished if you put in 480 hours vs 960 over the course of the camp. Even after my first month or so at work professionaly, I was astounded at how linear the relationship is between time spent coding and skill. The direct gains are unlike anything else if ever done.'Always be coding' sounds sort of funny, but it's true. Follow the curriculum, hit 80 hours a week, and you will certainly have multiple offers.My other advice would be to do as much OOP / C# as possible. It can be a bit too dense to focus on while at Sabio, but once you enter in to the workforce, you will absolutely need to know the general language/structure of OOP, and it will get you much *much* further than being an expert with JS (assuming you're targeting a mid-level position). You may know the hot new frameworks, but I can guarantee you that you will need to touch OOP code sooner or later. It's better to learn it while you're not under pressure, at Sabio, than on the job. React and especially Angular employ extensive OOP JS, as well.In that same vein, don't marry yourself to what Sabio is teaching, in terms of extracurricular education. While I was at Sabio, I used React/React Native/Ado.Net/Express/Node/SQL. In the first month of my new job, I used Angular, AngularJS, and Razor ASP.NET. Sabio *will* teach you how to learn, beyond just teaching you what is in the curriculum, but you should start flexing that muscle before you inevitably have to flex it on the job.Lastly, *before* you start sending out applications, put up a personal website and GitHub. Every single interviewer I talked to said they looked at both, and it takes a day max to get both up and running.It's not an easy road, but you can set your watch on a favorable outcome, if you do the work, and you love the work.
- Bootcamp- 2/13/2018Anonymous • Software Engineer • Graduate • Campus: Los Angeles
- The Perfect Approach- 11/27/2017Anonymous • Software Engineer • Graduate • Campus: Los AngelesTo help explain to you why I'm so pleased with Sabio, I'll run you through how I chose to attend. I did heaps of research about bootcamps after deciding that, though I could probably hack it with self study, I'd benefit more from a structured environment and a foot-in-the-door with provided job search help and networking. Since I'm lucky enough to live around LA, there were a few options, but Sabio immediately popped up with tons of amazing reviews (in other words, the ones right here). Of course, I wasn't going to go on just that, so I started getting ready for info sessions. Other places require you to straight up commit and go in, but Sabio is immediately different. I attended an info session online around Thanksgiving of 2016, and Gregorio was heading it. I loved it. Gregorio pulls no punches. He's always completely honest and answers everything you throw at him, complete with statistics for things like job placements (Sabio really excels here and is even part of a group pushing for complete transparency in bootcamp statistics). I finished and, when I mentioned it to my parents, I already said, "I'm pretty sure this is the one." One of Sabio's best features is their admittance process. You don't go through the college-esque applications of other places, instead you enter pre-work. For a small fee (lower or free with frequent deals!), you both get to see if you're actually interested in moving on and Sabio gets to see if you'll be able to get through the bootcamp alright. The instructors were nice and capable, and you take an assessment test at the end to get into a cohort. Other places just get you to put all of the money in up front, but I loved that Sabio had this model to help make everyone comfortable and confident. Cohort was great. Tons of work, but I learned a lot. One of Sabio's other best features is that you work on an actual project during cohort in a team environment. This means that you gain the skills you'll use in the workplace when it comes to things like working using an Agile methodology and how to deal with code reviews and mergers. The experience I got in Git was invaluable, and I'm so happy it's the way Sabio does things. And it doesn't end there. Sabio is a community, so you have that kind of alumni support that you do from a college. People are always around to help figure out the latest programming problem you hit or to pass along job opportunities. And the Sabio staff is always in your corner, especially Gregorio with his A+ job advice. Between counseling from Gregorio and one of my instructors, I was able to enter into job interviews and negotiations with far, far more confidence than I would otherwise. The result? The in-person interview I attended on the last day of my cohort turned into the job I started a few weeks after. I'm happily employed and make above the median number you see on this page. I couldn't have done it without Sabio's help. It's not literal magic, but if you listen and follow the program it can certainly seem like it by the time you're done. Recommended without hesitation.
- A Transformative Experience- 10/12/2017Anonymous • Graduate • Course: Full Stack Web Development at Antioch University • Campus: Los Angeles
Just last year I was approaching 20 years of being a developer for the same company. I did not have many other developers around me, and I felt like I was falling behind watching the "outside" world of technology expand. My income was favorable and steady; yet, having to make a change was a must, and I felt like I couldn't waste much time with traditional schooling or even through online courseware.
Learning about coding bootcamps was intriguing as they offered anyone the chance to learn about current development frameworks and libraries quickly, and apply those skills going forward. In my search for a local bootcamp, I found Sabio to stand out because it did not make empty promises. It was very honest about laying out expectations and the level of commitment needed for myself and my family to obtain a measure of success.
I selected Sabio based on multiple factors. The main one was their partnership with Antioch University. From this stance, I was able to enroll and participate in the pre-work through Antioch in evening class sessions. This period was what I called, "testing the waters." Whereas, I was testing whether I could I exert the additional energy to drive to class after work, learn about new tools and coding principles within a structured flow, be excited to be there, do the homework exercises, and continue to be pleased with doing this again and again over 12 weeks.
Not only was I energized, I felt exalted. I was able to see the potential for more opportunities, and I couldn't wait to move onward to the immersive program. So, I gave ample notice to my employer that I would be resigning my position to commit wholly to the immersive program later that year. Based on my situation, many of my friends and colleagues thought I was taking an enormous risk; yet, as I continued to convey my impressions about Sabio and to the critical need for quality developers in today's market, they recognized my bold outlook and envied my courage.
The design of the immersive program was one of those other main factors as to why I chose Sabio; it engages you in a real-world project with a real business owner invested in the outcomes of yours and your colleagues' work. So just days after leaving my previous job I felt like I was starting a new one, via the immersive program. From day one we hit the ground running, establishing rapport and finding strengths among our diverse group of other "developers." I viewed our instructors as great team leaders who had extensive knowledge and were always able to balance the notion of providing enough guidance to help you overcome a bug, or understand an intricate design pattern in the code versus just giving away the answer. They would also lead our daily Scrum meetings at the start of the day to promote the principles of Agile development.
As a group of peers, we regularly supported each other through code reviews and publishing. A useful teaching mechanism used in the program is to identify a topic or a recent implementation of the code and take a break within the day to pause and present to the whole group how he/she accomplished it. Most of these times, the instructors were there to guide the discussion; yet, encouraged us to be comfortable with talking openly about our code, There were instances after the instructors went home for the day, we instituted teacher sessions amongst ourselves. On a personal note, that is an example why I miss the high level of collaboration we had.
While my prior years of development positioned me as senior developer among my peers, I considered myself to be at the same standard level in that we all aspire to learn to code well by using the tools and cloud-based resources many employers are seeking candidates with practical experience. And that's an essential takeaway you should understand. Employers and their recruiters are not looking for dabblers in the hottest new trend in tech. They need people with unique skills that come from practical experience based on working in an environment like this; where specific requirements are given to you to tackle and write code to provide a solution.
The intensive part is that you need to put in the time working with your team, your instructors, the project owner, learning new concepts, coding, debugging, and even dreaming in code. All this effort pays off towards the end of the program when you realize how much you have learned and are indeed able to move forward with your career as a developer.
Be aware of the final two weeks of the program. It comes at you fast because this is when you shift from developing all the time to preparing for interviews and job searching. It's a bit jarring as I remember many my of colleagues hating this phase because you start to miss coding. During this period, the program directors, instructors, and the support staff do a great job with providing information and setting expectations, and this is when should follow their recommendations and utilize their time and resources as much as possible because you are establishing a momentum for yourself to manage your job hunt going forward.
Some of your peers will find jobs right away, and some will take longer to find the right match. It all varies, but incredibly the jobs are out there, and Sabio is there as a resource even after ending your program, and you're in your new workplace or if you are not. Sabio allows you to be connected and call upon other past graduates as a community to help with code, discuss new frameworks, share job postings, exchange playlists for coding, or get advice on dealing with your new boss or workmates.
It has been a fantastic journey, and I have new colleagues, and friends to share my challenges and success. A notable achievement includes a 30% pay increase from what I earned before. It is nice to have that; however, my new job setting gives me a better sense of purpose. And I find that to be more fulfilling. In all, I genuinely am reaping the benefits of choosing Sabio. It is no bootcamp, it is a program that provided a transformative experience where it was a distinct honor to have worked within my cohort, and I feel very privileged to be part of the Sabio community.
Selecting a bootcamp should be treated with great care because you are investing money and time towards your next chapter of finding success and being happy. I applaud you for reading through reviews because I too discovered from the reports that there are a number coding bootcamps that fall short in preparing the world in need of quality coders.
Selecting one of Sabio's programs and putting forth the effort to code and collaborate with others will set you on a path with many more opportunities.
I wish you well with finding your new career path. Good hunting.
- This is your reality check.- 5/9/2017Anonymous • Sabio Fellow • Graduate • Course: Full Stack Weekday Training (12 Weeks) • Campus: Orange County
I'll do my best to give what I feel is a realistic perspective of the situation you're faced with as it relates to Sabio's bootcamp experience. You've pry read several reviews that say stuff like, 'changed my life', 'best experience' or 'best decision of my life' which at the time they wrote those reviews was probably a genuine description of how they felt, but trust me that is far from how you'll feel 95% of the time.
In reality you'll constantly question if you've made a good decision. And with good merit you'll doubt your ability. Its hard, its real hard and if you're not putting in a 100% effort they will kick you out. I've seen it happen (no, I was not personally kicked out). It doesn't matter that you paid $15,000+ to be there they will kick out to maintain the reputation of the organization and future students ability to secure jobs. This however, isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they let every random person pass through no matter thier effort your job seeking efforts would be even harder than they already are.
The thing they dont tell you, that nobody tells you (why would they) in the begining is that when you do start looking for a job the fact that you come from a boot camp will work against you at every turn. So much so that they train you to avoid mentioning that you came from Sabio at all costs. You'll be trained to claim you worked for a "Start-up" and then you'll name the project you worked on. If someone asks what you were paid they suggest you claim you worked for "equity" (meaning "sweat equity", not a total lie but, well....). Obviously they tell you not to lie, what respectable organization would? But they tell you to do everything possible short of lying and in many cases it sure feels like lying (see previous sentence). This obviously makes the job search & interview process even more stressfull than it already is. Not only do you have to try to remember years of coding skills rammed into your head over 3 months you have to tip-toe around the fact that you just left a coding boot camp. This is a fact no matter what CEO response might follow this review.
Also, I think its worth mentioning that Sabio fired 3 of the most talented instructors in the organization. Aaron, Varr and the c# wizard Komron (all from Orange County). This left many students feeling abandoned and justifiably so. These were people they struggled with and gained confidence through and then suddenly they were just gone. This considerably diminished the $15,000 tuition value they paid. Many of us students are still confused as to why this happened. We were given a cryptic explanation of the reason for the instructors dismissal that would never allow me to declare if it were justifiable or not.
I dont mention all this to deter you from enlisting Sabio's services. But I do mention it as a reality check, this is not a short cut. This will be a real life struggle. Having said all that I still believe it is the best boot-camp around but this is not the golden ticket you might percieve it to be from the reviews. They provide just enough experience to scratch the surface, just enough to crack the job door open and then its up to you to do whatever you can to break it down. What you're embarking on is a learning experience that will go on long after you've left Sabio. Sabio is just a very small stepping stone in your attempt to cross the Grand Canyon.
Although they often bad mouth those that have paid for the high value "computer science" degrees they are still the ones that get the most attention with those designations on their resumes. My suggestion if you're young is to take the time to get a computer science degree. Be patient, you're young. It will be worth, trust me. If you can afford it, blow your money on Stanford, sure.... why not if you can afford it??
If not, go to a junior college and take a few years to get just an AS with a computer science emphasis or go get a bunch of computer science certifications. THEN, when you've had enough of that come back to Sabio and get some real world development experience. With a computer science degree and the coding experience of Sabio you would be in a really good place. If thats not an option, bite the bullet and be prepared to jump in the fire.
One last thing I want to mention. Pre-work is nothing like the immersive cohort. The cohort experience isn't just about being able to code. Its about being able to code and then get up in front of everyone and communicate what you did in terms you've never heard before that you have no idea if you're even saying correctly. You'll be required to stand in front of everyone, every single day and explain what you're working on, demo your code every week and on special occassions in front of A LOT of people. If you get stage fright, good luck. Your experience may become less about coding and more about how to navigate the anxieties that come with public speaking. It most likely will not be a fun experience but Sabio will prepare you better than any other boot camp out there. Good luck whatever you do.
***My review is anonymous because I do not want to be contacted by anyone at Sabio that may recognize my name. I did not write the review for recognition. I was a recent student that completed the full program and this is my real account of what I experienced. I was not kicked out. I have no incentive to discredit Sabio and any response by Sabio to the contrary is completely false. I've applied to a few hundred positions and received approximately 5 interviews. I have a tentative job offer I am considering.
- Thank you Sabio- 5/6/2017Anonymous • .Net Developer • Course: Full Stack Weekday Training (12 Weeks) • Campus: Orange County
- Do you want a new career?- 4/5/2017Anonymous • Full-Stack Developer • Graduate • Course: Full Stack Weekday Training (12 Weeks) • Campus: Orange County
I graduated college and spent 20k in tuition fees for a piece of paper that got me no where. If I had to do it all over again, I wish I had enrolled into Sabio's program earlier. When I made the decision to come to Sabio, I did a lot of research. I went to all of the coding bootcamp's info sessions in my area and decided that Sabio would be the best choice simply because they truly care about the success of their students. I really like the fact that each cohort has a max of 10 students to 1 instructor. This is crucial because it allows for the instructor to spend more time with a student. One big advantage that Sabio has over all the other bootcamps is they don't employ past students as their lead instructor. I find bootcamps that employs their own students as lead instructors a huge red flag simply because you will not receive the same quality of expertise as someone who has 10+ years under their belt. Another deal breaker for me is the fact that Sabio has their students work on real life enterprise projects. We aren't showcasing a simple tic-tac-toe game or a simple personal project, we are creating business applications that will be used by companies.
Now I must warn you, please do not enroll into this program and expect that success will be handed to you. This is a full-time job and it must be treated like one. You must work your butt off every single day and go above and beyond what is expected. For the last 3 months, I literally said goodbye to my social life, friends, and family because you will not have time for that. Be prepared to come in at 8AM and leave at 9PM every day. You are doing this for yourself so I highly recommend you put everything you have into it as if your life depends on it.
After my time at Sabio not only was I employed the first week of graduating but I received multiple offers. Sabio prepared me and made sure I was ready as a software developer. I can't be any happier with the results and I recommend this program for anybody who is passionate about coding and wants a career doing so.
- Should you pull the trigger?- 10/13/2016Anonymous • Graduate • Course: Full Stack Web Development at Antioch University • Campus: Los Angeles
If you're planning on signing up for a bootcamp, do your homework and research!
I certainly did mine, and am sincerely glad I signed up with Sabio.
Read all the reviews provided here on coursereport, go to Sabio's info sessions, talk to instructors, students and alumni.
All the reviews here pretty much sums up how I feel about Sabio so I'm not going to repeat it. You're going to learn a ton from instructors with loads of experience.
If you've pulled the trigger and are just waiting on your start date, here's my advice:
-Take the pre-course work seriously. If you think you're ready, you're not. Go over the pre-course material as many times as you can until your start date begins.
-Keep a notebook. You're instructors going to have a lot to say when you ask him/her a question. Be ready to write down key words, concepts, and stuff you don't understand.
-Ask questions! Starting day one, ask lots of questions. Encourage your fellows to ask questions. Dumb, smart, reptitive. Ask questions! Bother the sh*t out of your instructors(especially Gregorio if you get a hold of him). You've already invested your time and money; make it count.
-Remind yourself that you're learning something not too many people can do. Don't be too harsh on yourself when you don't understand something at first. Give yourself some time to process the information. And if you still don't understand something, remember to ask your instructor to elaborate until you understand.
I'm sure there's more advice, but I can't seem to remember them. Just remember to ASK QUESTIONS!
Thank you, Gregorio and Jimmy for your instruction and guidance!
Good luck to all current and future fellows! Put in the work, and I'm certain you'll do fine.
- Worth it. No questions asked.- 8/3/2016Anonymous • Graduate • Course: Full Stack Weekday Training (12 weeks) • Campus: Los Angeles
Before Sabio: While working in marketing, I dabbled here and there with coding, but was no where near employable for a full-time junior developer position.
After Sabio: Dozens of interviews and multiple offers. Now a developer at a startup. Yay!
Experience: Fantastic. I learned something new every day and was excited to do so. There's no greater feeling than seeing your first feature being published and working on an actual website, rather than just a personal project. If you put in the work that they tell you from the start, you'll do well ("Code, Code, Code"). Everyone in your cohort works together, so it's not just the instructors that are great, but the cohort you are in usually ends up being pretty close and helping each other out a lot.
Job Assistance: They prep you very well for the interview questions you'll encounter. They help you with your resume so that it shows everything you need to show employers. I ended up with multiple offers and dozens of on-site interviews (after the initial phone screens/intro calls). Coming from knowing the bare bones of programming to getting multiiple offers in a few months time is definitely not something I could've imagined before I found Sabio.
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