To apply, applicants should complete an online application. They will then discuss goals and expectations with a member of the Coding Temple Admissions team, followed by an instructor interview and technical screening. Once admitted, students must complete 40 to 60 hours of pre-work before the first in-class session.
Graduates of Coding Temple's programs will have a portfolio of work including a final project to showcase to potential employers. Students receive career preparation throughout the bootcamp including resume prep, mock interviews, and exams which mimic technical challenges for job applications. Coding Temple grads will become part of a large alumni network.
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In PersonFull Time40 Hours/week10 Weeks
Start Date Rolling Start Date Cost $11,495 Class size 8 Location Dallas, Washington, Chicago, Boston, OnlineCoding Temple’s 10 Week Full Stack Development Course provides a thorough primer on all of the tools and technologies required to envision, design, build, test, and deploy completely functional web applications. For the .NET course, we’ve focused on a set of mature technologies created and maintained by Microsoft, as well as several open-source libraries. The languages covered in this course consistently rank as some of the most-popular and in-demand across several different indexes. Furthermore, The Coding Temple instructors feel that the ease-of-use and capability of these development tools are some of the best available. While on campus, the average day will consist of homework review, classroom discussions, lectures, technical quizzes, and programming exercises. Some of the concepts discussed include HTTP, Databases, Libraries, Frameworks, DRY Code, Pair Programming, and Design Patterns. At the conclusion of the course, participants will gain the knowledge required to consider themselves full-stack software developers.
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Tuition Plans Pay in full Long Term Financing Income Share Agreement Refund / Guarantee Guaranteed job within 6 months of graduation or full tuition reimbursement Scholarship Yes
Minimum Skill Level Beginner Prep Work Yes Placement Test Yes Interview Yes
In PersonFull Time40 Hours/week10 Weeks
Start Date Rolling Start Date Cost $12,995 Class size 8 Location Dallas, Washington, Chicago, Boston, OnlineCoding Temple’s 10 Week Full Stack Development Course provides a thorough primer on all of the tools and technologies required to envision, design, build, test, and deploy completely functional web applications. The Python language is rapidly growing in popularity, being employed in web applications like YouTube, Reddit, DropBox, Survey Monkey, and Quora. Paired with the Django framework, it’s reliable, powerful, and fun to learn technology. While on campus, the average day will consist of homework review, classroom discussions, lectures, technical quizzes, and programming exercises. Some of the concepts discussed include HTTP, Databases, Libraries, Frameworks, DRY Code, Pair Programming, and Design Patterns. At the conclusion of the course, participants will gain
Deposit $1,000 Financing Tuition Plans In House Financing Lending Partner: Skills.Fund Income Share Agreement Refund / Guarantee Guaranteed job within 6 months of graduation or full tuition reimbursement Scholarship College Student Scholarship- $500 • Veterans Scholarship- $500 • Women in Tech- $500
Minimum Skill Level Entry Prep Work Yes Placement Test Yes Interview Yes
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Start Date None scheduled Cost $7,500 Class size 6 Location OnlineCoding Temple’s 10 Week Live Full Stack Development Course provides a thorough primer on all of the tools and technologies required to envision, design, build, test, and deploy completely functional web applications. The Python language is rapidly growing in popularity, being employed in web applications like YouTube, Reddit, DropBox, Survey Monkey, and Quora. Paired with the Django framework, it’s reliable, powerful, and fun to learn technology. While on campus, the average day will consist of homework review, classroom discussions, lectures, technical quizzes, and programming exercises. Some of the concepts discussed include HTTP, Databases, Libraries, Frameworks, DRY Code, Pair Programming, and Design Patterns. At the conclusion of the course, participants will gain
Deposit $1,000 Financing Tuition Plans Pay in full Long Term Financing Income Share Agreement Scholarship College Student Scholarship- $500 • Veterans Scholarship- $500 • Women in Tech- $500
Minimum Skill Level Entry Prep Work Yes Placement Test Yes Interview Yes
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OnlinePart Time40 Hours/week10 Weeks
Start Date Rolling Start Date Cost $7,500 Class size 5 Location OnlineCoding Temple’s 10 Week Live Full Stack Development Course provides a thorough primer on all of the tools and technologies required to envision, design, build, test, and deploy completely functional web applications. The Python language is rapidly growing in popularity, being employed in web applications like YouTube, Reddit, DropBox, Survey Monkey, and Quora. Paired with the Django framework, it’s reliable, powerful, and fun to learn technology. While on campus, the average day will consist of homework review, classroom discussions, lectures, technical quizzes, and programming exercises. Some of the concepts discussed include HTTP, Databases, Libraries, Frameworks, DRY Code, Pair Programming, and Design Patterns. At the conclusion of the course, participants will gain
Deposit $1,000 Financing
- In House Financing
- Lending Partner: Skills.Fund
- Income Share Agreement
Tuition Plans Pay in full Long Term Financing Income Share Agreement Scholarship College Student Scholarship- $500 • Veterans Scholarship- $500 • Women in Tech- $500
Minimum Skill Level Entry Prep Work Yes Placement Test Yes Interview Yes
Coding Temple Reviews
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- Disappointing Experience- 6/10/2019Matt • Graduate • Course: Full Stack Immersive Web Development • Campus: Chicago • Verified via LinkedIn
TLDR: this bootcamp was good for exposure to full-stack web development, not for actually gaining competency. See below for practical advice.
My main gripes:
-For a bootcamp called Coding Temple, I was surprised at how little coding we actually did. They say in the marketing material there is a coding challenge every morning and homework every night. We had a morning challenge exactly 3 times in 11 weeks of the course. We had homework about 1.5 times per week. During class and while doing our portfolio projects, there was more copy/pasting of code than actually writing code yourself.
-They have given thought to the curriculum, but not how to actually teach the curriculum so that students achieve understanding and competency. Class is basically an instructor doing a code demo at the front of class all day, and you're not even encouraged to code along. I would try to code along every day, but be unable to keep up after about 40 minutes. When asked to go back and let me catch up, it was always met with "I will post this to Slack in a few minutes". I'd then be able to copy/paste code from Slack to catch up, but that was useless. You learn by repitition, and watching someone code something up and then later copy/pasting their code is no way to learn how to program, in my humble opinion.
-The instructor was certainly knowledgable and a very competent programmer, however was not actually a good teacher. When I asked questions, the answers were usually very verbose and confusing as though he was speaking to a computer scientist, not a more novice programmer. Sometimes you need to have things explained to you like your five (ELI5), but that was not to be. Sometimes I'd ask questions and be more confused after receiving an answer and left not really being able to form a good follow up questio, stuck at basically, "I still don't get it" which would sometimes make the instructor frustrated or angry. I'm sorry, I'm just trying to learn.
-My general impression was the instructor was speeding through material, racing to the end every day so he could check a box "I covered X topic," with little regard for if or how well students were comprehending the material. I would regularly poll my classmates about how well they're understanding the material and the code being demoed, and they'd usually reply somewhere in the 20-30% range.
-Almost no work on core CS fundamentals like algorithms and data-structures, which will be highly relevant when looking for a job.
-I felt like I had only a little better understanding of OOP after then course vs before the course, even though this was one of the main things I hoped to improve upon during the course.
-When researching various bootcamps, the organizers of this bootcamp sold me on the idea that C#/.Net stack was in high demand. Halfway through the course, I learn that this will be the last C#/.Net full-stack bootcamp they will be offering in Chicago due to lack of demand for .Net devs in Chicago. WTF
Good part about this bootcamp:
-It was good for gaining exposure to various different web dev technologies, and learning how a web app fits together from the back-end to the front-end. You may not gain a high-level of competency with these technologies, but at least you'll learn the tools of the trade, what they're used for and get a basic understanding of them so that you can continue wokring on them later.
-Learning a strongly typed programming language like C# is very valuable, and I'm glad that this is now my main programming language.
-Having something tangible like a coding bootcamp on resume does help a little bit, particularly getting past initial HR screening from what I've heard.
-If this really was the "Best Coding Bootcamp" in 2017 and 2018, then I can't recommend bootcamps. Talking with recruiters and HR people, and people from other bootcamps as well, I've found that they don't seem to think a coding bootcamp is "enough".
-Becoming a programmer is all going to come down to YOU. You will have to spend an innumerable number of hours learning this stuff. A bootcamp is good in that it forces you to spend those hours for a few months, but you're still going to have to spend an incredible amount of hours continuing to learn and code to gain any degree of competency.
-If you want a poor-man's version of this bootcamp that will be as good if not better than this bootcamp, do this:
-find out the curriculum to this course
-take a git course/learn git, create a github account
-get a monthly subscription to codewithmosh.com for $15/month (to be clear: I have no affliation with this site, I just find Mosh to be a good, effective teacher)
-go to the library every day at 9am, and spend 6 hours doing the Code with Mosh courses that are equivalent to the topics covered in this course. Every Day. No exceptions.
-supplement those courses with YouTube videos, and reading on StackOverflow. Look around, there's really good courses out there if you dig a little. For example, this Scrimba course is great for React (https://scrimba.com/p/p7P5Hd/cQ726Sr)
-YOU MUST CODE ALONG WHEN DOING THESE COURSES!! If you're just going to watch the videos, don't even bother.
-push all your code/projects to github to build a portfolio. You want at least one push to github per day, every day, for three months straight. Employers look at this.
-after or while doing a Code with Mosh course, make a simple project of your own using the same technologies of the course you're following to get repitition and ingrain the skills you're covering.
-take a course on algorithms and data-structures, read a book(s) on them, etc.
-that's it. Mosh is a better teacher than you're likely to find at a bootcamp. You just need to be disciplined and consistent. Go on StackOverflow or an IRC channel of a given technology to ask questions. You will need to keep learning continuously.
I have been following the above approach for the past month, and feel it is superior to what the bootcamp.
I have been finished with this bootcamp for almost 2 months. I have applied to 80+ jobs and attended a few networking events. I have gotten some attention from employers, having done about 20 phone screenings and a half-dozen or so coding assessments. I have had one legit interview, which I believe was the final round of the interview process. However, I've had no luck so far. I'm going to keep persevering, but my job prospects are not looking too rosy at the moment. While there are a ton of developer jobs available, there's only so many junior develper jobs that I actually qualify for and have the skills to get. Also, don't expect Coding Temple to hook you up with any jobs--they'll help with your resume and refer you to a few recruiters, but that's about it. Still, I'm going to continue to practice and I'll get a job sooner or later (I hope). I will update this review if/when I get a job. Otherwise, Coding Temple has a money back guarantee if you can't get a job, so perhaps I will have to test how well that guarantee actually holds up.
Overall, I wouldn't recommend this bootcamp. I think it'd be a good value at about $300/week, nowhere near the $1000/week price tag.
- Best Boston Bootcamp- 5/18/2019Geoff Stevens • Software Engineer • Graduate • Course: Full-Stack Python + Data Science • Campus: Boston • Verified via LinkedIn
If you’re looking to really level up your career, look no further than Coding Temple Boston. This program is short, sweet and absolutely jam packed with relevant, requisite information for the aspiring engineer. Many of my peers have described the work load already, but it needs to be reiterated, you will have to work harder than you ever have, but you will be rewarded for it in time. I compare it to my hardest semester of college.
Three things make Coding Temple stand out amongst other options in your array of potential educational investments: Structure, Staff, and Follow-through.
Because it’s on the small end of bootcamps, the program is extremely agile. They rapidly respond to market demands for engineers and implement changes to the curriculum each cohort to maximize candidate visibility upon graduation. They utilize a well-paced curriculum delivering need-to-know concepts like language syntax, data structures, algorithms, and version control before branching out into the more exotic stuff like mobile dev, machine learning, or aws.
A great curriculum won’t get you very far if you don’t have skilled instructors and support staff, luckily Coding Temple’s are top of the line.
The instructor is a deft communicator that rivals the very best of my professors. He will help you not only learn the material, but command it. He knows instinctively when to help you out and also when to let you sit and struggle through something, this is rare and invaluable for you.
The office manager/marketer/student success organizer is a remarkably kind woman who will routinely go out of her way bring students to networking events after class, host impromptu webinars on photoshop, and help you create a distinctive brand for yourself as you prepare to hit the market.
And finally, the gentlemen that oversee the operation are dependable experts with an active presence in the area. They’re crafting the brand, again helping you after you graduate and interview with recruiters who say, “Yeah I’ve heard great things about Coding Temple!”.
After graduation the team at Coding Temple was consistently available to help refine my portfolio, continue interview prep, and navigate the offers I got. They provided critical guidance and sound advice exactly when I needed it.
Coding Temple is not just a 10 week bootcamp, It’s a program that you can and should utilize to become a better, happier version of yourself with an enviable trajectory. Take aim with Coding Temple and you’ll be well equipped to hit your mark.
- ASP.NET Camp- 5/14/2019Bob • C# ASP.NET Developer • Graduate • Course: ASP.NET MVC BOOTCAMP • Campus: Chicago • Verified via LinkedIn
So I read plenty of reviews on here and other places about this and many other bootcamps. If you want in-depth reviews there are plenty of them out there. I am designing this review for one purpose only, what it's like to enroll, to actually do it, and to successfully switch careers.
Bootcamp Proper: If you didn't get comfortable thinking about/through code and didn't get through the pre-work you will get crushed. If you did, then you will be ok, everyone in my course that did that foundational work made it through. How difficult is it? That's impossible for me to say. Things that were easy for me were hard for others, and vice versa. One thing is absolute though: it is a lot of work.
One of the most important things you will learn is how to teach yourself. If you are easily frustrated and want the instructor to spell things out for you then this may not be right for you. I will say though: every single working developer I have talked to says this is crucial to their job. If you choose this as a career you will be reading official documentation and message board support topics for the rest of your career, because it is impossible to know everything, so teaching yourself is vital.
Feeling dumb and clumsy persisted throughout bootcamp, there were times when I thought I'd never figure something out... and then I would and I'd feel like a genius. So don't get discouraged, or rather it's normal to feel discouraged, nervous, panicked. It's an unfortunate bi-product of doing something completely new and unique that can start to feel like a mistake. If you stick with it and resign yourself to doing whatever it takes no matter how much time and effort you need to put in, then you'll be rewarded.
Post Camp/Job Hunt: Ripal was invaluable when it came to this. However, be prepared to be overwhelmed in a whole new fashion. Developers are so in demand and the ability to access them via LinkedIn and Indeed, etc is both a blessing and a curse. I was inundated with job offers for positions I was not remotely qualified for, so it can be a bit of a downer. But the strategy Ripal has honed over the years was effective. I got a job 3 weeks after graduation. I applied to 14 postings, heard back from 3 with no's and 3 that I am currently in process with (who knows what will happen, but I'm not waiting to find out). Seven I have never even heard from and the 14th is the one where things moved quickly and they offered me a position. The number of positions I was offered to interview for that were well beyond my experience level : 50+.
So that's the gist of what I went through. It was intense, scary, overwhelming, but ultimately rewarding. I now have a new career path in front of me in an industry that's only getting bigger.
Note: If there was a way to add more stars I would because it's impossible to learn everything you need to in such an accelerated environment. It's more like 6 or 7 stars out of 5. I'm still learning stuff that was only touched on in class.
- Python - Boston- 4/9/2019Josh Hall • Graduate • Course: Full-Stack Python + Data Science • Campus: Boston • Verified via LinkedIn
Attending Coding Temple was a huge step for me. I traveled all the way out from CA to get a fresh start and Coding temple had the biggest draw out of all the schools I looked into. The Instructor for the Python course Connor was Amazing. The work was fast paced and difficult, but he was always there to slow down if needed and stayed after class to answer all questions. I came out of the class feeling very confident in my abilities and would 10/10 recommend this course to anyone looking into Python.
- Well worth the investment!- 10/1/2018Jeffrey Lynch • Graduate • Course: Full-Stack Python + Data Science • Campus: Boston • Verified via LinkedIn
I can honestly say that attending Coding Temple was one of the best decisions I have made. Prior to matriculation, I had no coding experience, as did a few other students, but by the end of the semester, especially after completing my Final Capstone Project, I felt as if had accumulated a wealth of programming tools and technologies in an astonishingly short period of time. Upon graduating, I received multiple interviewers and felt comfortable demonstrating to employers that I learned a lot and have the potential to put these tools into practice. The same can be said for anyone upon completion of the course regardless of their desired path; front-end, back-end, full-stack, data-science - you will gain proficiency in each of these areas - provided YOU put in the time and effort needed for success. Plus, I don't think that many employers were too skeptical that I attended a bootcamp rather than acquire a traditional 4-year CS degree at a university. They are gaining steam and a well-justified positive perception in the STEM community.
- Make proper preparations- 9/18/2018Amon Mwombeki • Graduate • Course: C#/.NET BOOTCAMP • Campus: Chicago • Verified via LinkedIn
How long have you prepared for this? Assuming you have no coding experience, If you want to achieve your highest potential for success, do not decide you want to learn how to code, and then sign up for a bootcamp 2-3 weeks later. You need to prepare. You need to utilize as much online learning as you can, until you feel confident enough in your skills. Coding Temple is an intense 10 week program, and falling behind typically leaves you behind the entire course. That's a place you don't want to be. Request their Course Syllabus and prepare for atleast 6 months before you sign up, that way when you get there, you can work from ahead and even complete the optional assignments. This will give you the most bang for your buck because already understanding the fundamentals allows you to better comprehend the coursework, as well as learn more advanced topics that other in your cohort won't have time for!
Our Instructor Joe was very knowledgeable and helpful. He's always available whenever you need his help. Also, Ripal, the director of business development does a pretty awesome job of connecting with potential employers for final project presentations together with interview prep, and resume writing. Above all, they're always to listen any suggestions that would make your learning successful or make them better.
- Great place, but work hard- 8/25/2018Matthew • Graduate • Course: Full-Stack Python + Data Science • Campus: Boston • Verified via LinkedIn
If you want to be a programmer, you need to put in the work. Just because you go to a coding bootcamp, you that doesn't mean you'll be ready to face the challenges of software development.
With that said, if you have the attitude that you'll do whatever it takes to succeed, Coding Temple will do everything they can to provide you with the tools for success in the work place. The curriculum is thorough (but fast, so be prepared to ask lots of questions and spent time working outside of class), the instructors are patient, and are willing to work with you outside of class, and when the course is over they check in with you periodically to help with your job search.
All in all, I am very glad I took this course and would recommend it to anyone who is serious about switching to a career in software development.
I took a single day class Coding Temple offered to learn Tableau and it was amazing. Coming from someone who is not tech savvy or had no idea how to use tableau before this class, it helped me get a very good understanding of how to use it and apply it to the workforce. The instructor took his time and explained everything in detail since he knew most of us were beginners. I would go back to Coding Temple for more of these classes, they were very helpful!
- Read this...- 6/29/2018Boian Etropolski • Graduate • Course: Full-Stack Python + Data Science • Campus: Chicago • Verified via LinkedIn
Let me preface this review by saying that I was uncertain of what to expect going in, to the say the least. With little to no coding experience, I had no way to guage the verity or weight of what online resources and other reviews claimed was true of coding boot camps. As I was looking to make a serious, professional career change into data science, I had to be sure that all the online hype about life-changing experiences was not some intricate scam. So, after weeks of research and contemplation about my next step in life, I committed to the idea and reached out to Coding Temple.
By the time I got off the phone with Ripal, the business director, any remaining doubts I might have had were rendered moot. Needless to say, everyone at Coding Temple turned out to be equally welcoming and understanding of the needs of the incoming class. Coding Temple is set up with all of that already in mind--from the classy, comfortable working environment, to the highly detailed curriculum. Having made my way out to Chicago all the way from New Jersey for this, I could not have asked for a smoother transition.
Now, to address the elephant in the room: Coding Temple is as close to a formal education as one can receive, comparable in quantity and quality to a semester in college, minus the diploma. As such, Coding Temple employs a more project-oriented strategy to help push their students to see the fruits of their labor. The importance of this approach cannot be overstated. This is the key that makes a lightning-fast three-month boot camp tangible for both the graduates and their potential employers.
So, was it really all sunshine and rainbows? No, there was blood, sweat, and tears involved throughout the learning process, to be sure. But that is how one builds grit. In my opinion, if there is one thing a potential employer wants to see, after all the techicalities are said and done, it's grit. The whole experience really is what you make of it, and that kind of liberty says a lot about the slew of resources made available to you. Do come in with an open mindset, and it will practically guarantee your success; do NOT come in with an entitled mindset, or else that will almost certainly deny you it.
All in all, "life-changing" is quite relative to one's level of expectations, so it is doubly important that one keep an open mind and let the boot camp do its magic. I came in green as a caterpillar and left having earned my wings; I absolutely believe it was life changing for me. I never would have imagined myself where I am today if it were not for all the tutelage and support of everyone at Coding Temple. I simply cannot recommend it highly enough for anyone considering this as their next step.
- Connor • Graduate • Course: Full-Stack Python + Data Science • Campus: Washington • Verified via LinkedIn
Honestly I'm not sure where to begin, as I have so many great things to say about Coding Temple. Not only did they create a fun filled environment full of coding, they went above and beyond throughout the entire process.
I was originally looking into taking the Python course in Boston, and ended up switching to take an earlier class in D.C., which they graciously helped me out in finding a place and getting setup in the area. I couldn't be happier with the way things panned out, as the location was great and the class went extremely well.
The instructors here were knowledgeable and made coding an enjoyable experience. It's always tough when people are coming in at different coding levels, but it was both tough on the experienced students and easy to pickup for the students that had never coded in their life. Derek (my instructor) was wonderful and helped us every step of the way with any problem we had.
One great thing about this bootcamp is that they made the experience fun and personable. I now have a life-long friend in Derek, and a great network through the Coding Temple program.
For me it was easy to select Coding Temple because of the small class size, as I don't learn well when I can't ask questions. While at Coding Temple we were encouraged to ask any questions, and it wasn't frowned upon to be behind, they'd even help you get up to speed if you needed the extra help.
Overall, I can't recommend this bootcamp enough, it was the best decision of my life, and I will be forever grateful towards the staff at Coding Temple for guiding me to what my career goals were.
Something to keep in mind is that, like any other bootcamp, you need to come in prepared and ready to work. I not only dedicated myself every day, but also every night to this program. To be a programmer, half the battle is applying it on your own, otherwise you forget what you just learned. Too many people think that they can just come to a bootcamp, show up, and they'll be a developer... it doesn't work like that. You need to be willing to put the effort in, and if you do, you'll get great results out of it.
If there's one more thing I can say, it's that this company is very personable and will help you out whatever the situation, they genuinely just want to see you succeed in everything that you do, and they'll do whatever it takes to help you reach your goals.
- Expect to work- 3/6/2018Nathan • Student • Course: Full-Stack Python + Data Science • Campus: Washington • Verified via LinkedIn
This was a great course, it was a lot of work to learn a full stack development in 10 weeks without any previous experience in coding or programming. Derek the instructor for the course was very knowledgable and helpful in getting concepts to sink in, and assessing each students strengths and abilities. Ananya, the Python instructor, was extremely passionate about the topic, and helpful with interview prep/whiteboarding practice. Finally, upon finishing the course, Ripal was in constant contact revamping my resume as needed, putting me in touch with recruiters, and sending job postings I might have missed (including the job I ultimately landed).
I would highly recommend, but know going in that in addition to the 6-8 hours of class a day you will need to put in at least 25 hours a week after class to get the most of the course and complete the homework assignments.
- C# .NET Course- 2/22/2018Declan O. • Associate Consultant • Graduate • Course: ASP.NET MVC Bootcamp • Campus: Chicago • Verified via LinkedIn
Aside from the enormous amount of knowledge that you will gain throughtout the duration of the course, an additional benefit is the vast network that Ripal (co-founder, business development) has established with local tech companies and recruiters. While I found my job through a referal from a friend, almost everyone else in my cohort was able to find employment thanks to Ripal's connections and his resume/interview prep.
The only suggestion I would make to Coding Temple would be to, if possible, throw a little bit of react instruction into the course and instead of teaching angular 1 teach angular 4 as those both seem to be really sought after skillsets right now.