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  • Android Bootcamp

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    Android, Java
    In PersonFull Time17 Weeks
    Start Date
    None scheduled
    Cost
    $12,000
    Class size
    7
    Location
    New York City
    Financing
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    N/A
    Financing
    Financing available through Skills Fund.
    Getting in
    Minimum Skill Level
    Beginner
    Prep Work
    Yes, for beginners
    Placement Test
    No
    Interview
    Yes
  • Android Development Part-Time (Evenings)

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    Android, Java
    In PersonPart Time6 Hours/week8 Weeks
    Start Date
    None scheduled
    Cost
    $3,000
    Class size
    7
    Location
    New York City
    Financing
    Deposit
    N/A
    Financing
    Financing available through Skills Fund.
    Getting in
    Minimum Skill Level
    Beginner
    Placement Test
    No
    Interview
    Yes
  • Cyber Security Risk Management

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    In Person
    Start Date
    None scheduled
    Cost
    N/A
    Class size
    N/A
    Location
    New York City
    Financing
    Deposit
    $1,000 for 40-hour Pre-Training course. $17,000 for 360-hour extended course
    Financing
    Lending partners available, including Skills Fund
    Tuition Plans
    $1,000 for 40-hour Pre-Training course. $17,000 for 360-hour extended course $18,000 Total fees
    Getting in
    Minimum Skill Level
    IT Managers CIO & CISO Advanced IT Consultants Risk Evaluation Employees
    Placement Test
    Yes
    Interview
    Yes
  • iOS Bootcamp

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    Objective-C, Mobile, Android, iOS, Java, Swift
    In PersonFull Time17 Weeks
    Start Date
    None scheduled
    Cost
    $12,000
    Class size
    7
    Location
    New York City
    Financing
    Deposit
    N/A
    Financing
    Financing available through Skills Fund.
    Getting in
    Minimum Skill Level
    Beginners Welcome
    Prep Work
    Yes, for beginners
    Placement Test
    No
    Interview
    Yes
  • iOS Development with Swift Part-Time (Evenings)

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    Xcode, Objective-C, iOS, Swift
    In PersonPart Time6 Hours/week8 Weeks
    Start Date
    None scheduled
    Cost
    $3,000
    Class size
    7
    Location
    New York City
    Financing
    Deposit
    499.00
    Financing
    Financing available through Skills Fund.
    Scholarship
    None
    Getting in
    Minimum Skill Level
    Beginner
    Placement Test
    No
    Interview
    Yes
  • IT Professional with Python - Basic Cyber Security

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    Start Date
    None scheduled
    Cost
    N/A
    Class size
    N/A
    Location
    New York City
    Financing
    Deposit
    $1,000 for 40-hour Pre-Training course. $12,000 for 360-hour extended course
    Financing
    Lending partners available, including Skills Fund
    Tuition Plans
    $1,000 for 40-hour Pre-Training course. $12,000 for 360-hour extended course
    Getting in
    Minimum Skill Level
    Anyone from any background who wishes to join the cyber security industry.
    Placement Test
    Yes
    Interview
    Yes
  • Professional Penetration Tester

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    Start Date
    None scheduled
    Cost
    N/A
    Class size
    N/A
    Location
    New York City
    Financing
    Deposit
    $1,000 for 40-hour Pre-Training course. $17,000 for 360-hour extended course
    Financing
    Lending partners available, including Skills Fund
    Tuition Plans
    $1,000 for 40-hour Pre-Training course. $17,000 for 360-hour extended course $18,000 Total fees
    Getting in
    Minimum Skill Level
    Experienced IT Professionals
    Placement Test
    Yes
    Interview
    Yes

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Response From: Teddy Angelus of TurnToTech
Title: COO
Wednesday, May 25 2016

Please note that this review is from someone who attended classes (part time iOS) only for 2 days and was asked to leave because our instructors determined that he was not putting in the required effort.

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Response From: Teddy Angelus of TurnToTech
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Saturday, May 21 2016

We take all feedback very seriously and try to respond to every one. There are some potential misconceptions that have been expressed in this review and we’ll try to clarify those.

As correctly noted, TurnToTech is not for everyone. We do our best to explain that to each person who applies. If you are looking for a traditional classroom setting with lectures and cohorts and daily homework, and grading, then TurnToTech is not for you. We are modeled after a work environment, not a school. We are not a substitute for CS classes in a college. We try to provide the things that a traditional school doesn't.

Our number one priority is to get you job-ready, and our curriculum is modeled on what the employers expect, not what gives a smooth ride to the student. Our teaching approach is a modern ‘project based’ approach that emphasizes problem solving.

We’ll absolutely make sure we review our website and make it as clear as possible that you won’t get a traditional classroom here. There is no reason for us to portray anything otherwise – we were designed from day 1 to be a project-based bootcamp, and we are very proud of that. 

Project Based Learning

Let’s discuss the term ‘project based’. Not everyone may understand the term in the sense we use it but educators have a specific definition for this phrase. If you are interested in learning more–take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project-based_learning.  A short summary is summed up well in this quote from the article - Project Based Learning is a style where you “learn about a subject by working for an extended period of time to investigate and respond to a complex question, challenge, or problem.[2] It is a style of active learning and inquiry-based learning. PBL contrasts with paper-based, rote memorization, or teacher-led instruction that simply presents established facts or portrays a smooth path to knowledge by instead posing questions, problems or scenarios.”

We try to avoid the ‘smooth path’ mentioned above. By definition, this makes our path tough. But we are still committed to this approach. But it’s important that we are clear: this in no way means you just work on your own with no help. In fact, rather than having only set times for q & a and office hours, multiple instructors are available all day to give you as much attention as you want, and sit with individual students for as short or as long as the student needs. It's our top priority to make sure every student gets as much time with the instructors as they want.

Again, we understand that not everyone may be familiar with this term as explained above so, moving forward, we’ll try to do a better job of explaining it.

Now let’s come to the issue raised about ‘individualized’ or ‘personalized’ – for us it doesn’t mean everyone will get a different set of projects. It means the kind of help you’ll get is specific to your needs. For example, you have an issue in your assignment and need help. One standard non-personalized “classroom” approach is to give you the solutions after you submit your assignment. If you couldn’t solve the problem – you get to see solutions. But they don’t necessarily tell you why your code didn’t work. Is your code 99% there or is it way off? You typically won’t be able to tell. But that information is critical to learning. Our solution is to sit with you and debug your code and make it work with you if needed. If you read a tutorial or an article somewhere that doesn’t make sense, we’ll sit with you and make sense of it. That is our meaning of personalized. 

And this is hard to implement – which is why you don’t see too many others following this approach. This is hard for a couple of reasons – instructor quality has to be extremely high, and curriculum projects have to be extremely high quality and demanding. The internship is an even harder thing to include in a bootcamp because of its complexity. We firmly believe that unless a student has spent some time implementing features or fixing bugs on a real-life large project such as a complex app with perhaps a custom backend – they are unlikely to be job ready. And while all this seems demanding, we have a large body of satisfied students and alumni which means the approach definitely works. 

Collaboration

Now let’s address the ‘collaboration’ issue from the review. It is true that students are mostly required to work independently from other students and not in groups until they attain a certain competency. And this is by design. It’s important to understand the underlying idea. When you go to a job interview, you go alone. Think about why that is the case. As a beginner if you get paired with someone, one person may be doing nothing while the other person does all the thinking and coding. Of course you may feel like you had a good time and got some assignments done but ask yourself: is that really at the heart of what you want to get from your bootcamp experience? 

Software engineering is as much an intellectual field as it is a collaborative discipline. We work on both of these aspects in our program. First, you need to build your own competency as a problem solver and as a programmer. And that’s why, during the first 12 weeks of the curriculum (with the exception of our recently introduced bi-weekly student hackathons), you’re supposed to work by yourself and not split the work with anyone. Instructors will be there at every step to get you past whatever hurdles you face, debug your code with you, clarify your ideas, or anything else you want. But in order for you to succeed you need to build your own confidence. Once you finish all the projects, you’re on to the internship – and now it’s a different situation. You work in a group from then on. You pair program. You jointly whiteboard solutions to problems. You learn the real power of collaborative tools like git and you see first-hand how an experienced developer solves architectural problems and debugs massive code-bases and gives you insight into software development. We do not believe that any kind of classroom setup can come anywhere even close to this approach to learning. 

Job Placement and Career Counseling

We help every one of our students with their job search, through individualized resume assistance, counseling and mock interviews.  We assist not only our current students but even our alumni after they have landed their first job if they are exploring making a change. Even they get mock interview and resume guidance. We have successfully connected students and alumni to companies where they now work. Our ever growing list of alumni are also very active in helping our current students with their job search and getting them interviews. 

Our program is now in its 3rd year and has gone through various revisions. Our curriculum is constantly evolving, new projects are constantly being added and we’ve always incorporated useful feedback. Based on suggestions from employers, students and alumni - we’ve added interview prep. to our curriculum. We’ve added CS. We've added problem solving. Anyone is free to request a copy of the detailed curriculum and have it checked out by their developer friends if needed. Our current curriculum has been vetted by a large number of practicing software engineers. We have a very structured approach to the job search process and we have a good sense of what employers want.

To conclude, we take all feedback very seriously and we’ll do our part to make the messaging clearer on our website which seems to be at the heart of the review. Hopefully we’ve clarified most of the issues raised. And we're always open to ways of improving our program.

If you want to become a software engineer – you must be fully committed to the intellectual, motivational, and physical challenge. It takes time. It takes effort. There are no shortcuts. We try to give you what you need most – which is ‘learning how to learn’. So if you have the motivation and the confidence – we have no doubt that TurnToTech will give you a good sense of what software engineering is all about and significantly improve your chances of becoming a software engineer.

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Response From: Teddy Angelus of TurnToTech
Title: COO and Career Counselor
Wednesday, Dec 21 2016

To potential readers of this review
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We take every review seriously and the same goes for this one. This review, while perhaps written with the right intentions, is not accurate in many areas. Let's clarify the situation:

1. New space - Wrong assertion by reviewer - we moved out of our old location because the building was old, they didn't have fiber and HVAC was antiquated. We were glad that the lease was over after 3 years in that space.  It's ridiculous to suggest that rent was a factor in our move which puts into question why this reviewer even wrote this review. 

Just as an FYI - we have plans to open several other locations next year. Why is this reviewer discussing real estate and rents? 

We moved downtown to a much nicer and better-equipped building and floor in a Class A building with ample space, nice student lounge, classrooms and conference rooms.

2.  Learning on your own - Yes, it's possible to learn, but that's like comparing apples and oranges when comparing online with an in-person bootcamp. Most education experts agree and we know first-hand that an online course cannot be a substitute for in-person teaching and mentorship.

In fact, around 90% of the students, during their interview, said they tried to learn online and with friends but that didn't work. 

Some even attended an online bootcamp before joining TurnToTech.  And around 10-15% of our students overall have had undergraduate degrees in CS/Engineering/Science (many from Ivy League or equivalent schools) or are experienced web or systems developers, but they still chose to attend our program. Friends and relatives of TurnToTech alumni keep coming to TurnToTech. Why is that?

The answer is that because they like our project-based hands-on style of learning and they want the experience of solving problems and getting expert advice, collaborating with other students, working full days and weeks on their iOS or Android projects, having in-depth discussions with instructors and other knowledgeable students, working in a startup environment, participating in hackathons, getting plugged into the tech community and building their network - all of which is necessary to become employable. 

In other words, they want to experience what life as a mobile software developer is. If you want this, you can come to us.

3. On duration - Our curriculum is challenging but certainly doable. An example: we have a student who's two months into the program, and he's already on his last project. (To be fair to other students, he has an undergrad degree in CS). We've had several such students in the past, and there's a good fraction without a CS/Engineering/Science degrees just to be clear who finish on time. Those are also the ones who never miss a day and never come late and also end up getting jobs quickly. We say this to everyone who interviews with us and goes through the assessment. 

4. Curriculum - Our curriculum is one of the most thorough in the bootcamp industry. We have practicing engineers and app developers as our curriculum advisors. Please do a one on one comparison with any four-month bootcamp, and you'll see. 

a) The curriculum for Android is around 200+ individual coding assignments - both in core Java and Android, several writing assignments, various well-researched podcasts and at least three large Android projects. 

b)  Our Android content is composed primarily out of starter projects which you download from our LMS. Assignments distributed as PDF's are a small fraction of what we do. And even so - PDF is as good a format as any. We fail to see the issue.

And for all students, in addition to iOS or Android, every 2 months, we also run a lecture series on Data Structures and Algorithms which comes with an extensive set of assignments.

5. Job Placement - We obviously take the career services very seriously, and we a) counsel each student (one-on-one) on their job search (resume prep, interview prep, coding challenges, scheduling of mock interviews, target lists of employers, introductions to companies that we have relationships with, etc.).  We give writing assignments to prepare for mock interviews. 

b) We give as much advice on interviewing, resumes, skill gaps as a student wants. We reach out to everyone well before they're ready for this final step. 

c) Between our senior team, we know a good percentage of the top recruiters in the city. 

d) Every Friday, there's usually a coding challenge or a hackathon or something equivalent. And as noted earlier, we run a Data Structures and Algorithms lecture series once every two months. 

All this is done to prepare students for interviews.

By the way, these services are available even to alumni many of whom have landed jobs through us. Even students who graduated over two years ago regularly reach out to us.

But at the end of the day, in an interview, a student has to perform individually - which is totally a function of what that person put in over the few months they spent at the bootcamp. 

So hopefully we've clarified the situation. We understand that finding a job can get frustrating at times but absolutely everyone - whether you're at TurnToTech or  another bootcamp or even at the world's top engineering school - you still have to go through this job hunt. Some get lucky and get a job after their first interview and some have to work harder but if they persistent - they do succeed. We have many many examples.

But we're glad that this reviewer has noted correctly that TurnToTech is a good place to learn mobile.

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