Sabio Reviews
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Anonymous
Great Experience
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Sabio did a lot for me. It was a tough beginning but totally worth it. I had some idea that web development would be a good path for me, little did I know at the time how great Sabio would be.
The experience in itself was challenging, fun and very educational. You learn what it means to be a web developer building a product for a customer. The instructors help you learn and give you tips into functionality that only a seasoned developer would know. The best part is that it doesn't end when you finish.
There are monthly sessions that help you progess in the world and learn more. You also have the instructors to ask for advice and a community of developers who have followed the same path. Overall it was a great experience and you build great community ties with people that are always willing to help you.
I wish I had taken this path sooner and am so glad I had the opportunity to learn from Sabio.
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Maximillian Munguia
Student
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I am eight weeks into my twelve-week course. I have been challenged the entire time and have learned so much valuable material. Sabio provides the perfect amount of instruction and one-on-one time, as there are typically a maximum of 10 students per classroom. They also allow a good amount of time to struggle through the challenges on our own, which builds problem-solving skills (and character~). All of the instructors are helpful and gracious, and each one is smart as hell with great teaching and communication skills. The co-founders, Gregorio and Liliana, are always nearby and are involved when we need them. The Culver City Antioch University campus is comfortable, with dedicated classrooms and nearby food vendors (including a mall around the corner!). Amenaties aside, the most important aspect is that I am completely confident that I will be prepared to land a great engineering job at the end of the twelve-week program- without a doubt. I am happy and excited and grateful for Sabio and everything they've provided for us. Enrolling with Sabio is the best decision I've ever made!
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Anonymous
It Works!!!
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The Sabio plan works. 70 hours a week and code code code! They already have a formula, you just need to add your effort. The only variable is You.
So, who must YOU be? What attributes do YOU need to be successful?
You must be 100% committed.
You must put in the time.
You must be willing to jump in and trust in the process.
I had zero development background and never considered this as an option for myself.I looked at my first line of code in June. I started Sabio Prework in July and was enrolled for the next cohort in September. We graduated Dec.19th. I received an offer Jan. 20th. I accepted it Jan 21st! BAM!
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Anonymous
Sabio: goes past 12 weeks
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The take away from most bootcamps is that its hard and you yourself have to put a great deal of effort into it. I think one of the strongest things that Sabio can offer over other bootcamps is community and support after finishing the course. The curriculum and teaching styles may and probably will change over time (just the nature of the industry in general) but the community Gregorio and Lilianna (the founders) built seems here to stay. Even after you finish the course they and the other instructors are available at all times to reach out for advice. They genuinely care about the students and in turn alot of the past graduates want to come back to events and hackathons to support, help, and chat with each other.
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Anonymous
Sabio: a learning and professional community
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I decided to be a part of the bootcamp early in the year after attending one of Sabio's informational sessions. I was very impressed by Gregorio's passion and belief that anyone could code. After attending a few of their pre-training sessions, I was still skeptical that I could do it, too. Once the intense 12-week training began, I knew that there was no turning back. Under the guidance of our instructor Aaron, I persisted in making sense of the many facets of the world of web development. "Focus on what you already know, not on what you don't.", Gregorio would chime in once in a while. It was a much needed reminder in that while there was just so much that I didn't understand about software development, I was also gaining ground at an incredible pace. It was all a matter of where I would focus my attention on.
At the end of the 12 weeks, I had a full-stack portfolio of an MVC ASP.Net project with Angular on the front-end. After a few interviews, I landed a job as a full-stack web developer, where I'm currently employed earning exactly twice as much as my previous employment.
Sabio is more than a bootcamp. It's a community. The 5-year support that Sabio offers is just about the best part of their program. They work hard to create and maintain a community of professionals that support one another (both emotionally and technically) and help each other with leads. In addition, they stand by your side and advise you on the next move for your career. It really feels like Sabio is a family, who is there to cheer you on and give you both tools and courage to become a developer, too.
I have since contacted them with both technical and career advice. I have also joined the Sabio team on a hackathon, which was amazing! I'll definitely do it again!
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Anonymous
Software Engineer
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Being a full time father for the last 6 years has been a big priviledge for me. I loved spending all that time with my son. But since he's now going to school, and my wife wanting to have her turn with him, its time for me to get back to work. I have been out of the job market for so long, and dabbling in different odd jobs, I decided going forward I would like to change careers and become a full stack Web Developer.
I started taking online courses. But soon I realized that it won't be enough, so I started researching on Full Stack Web Development bootcamps. Having compared several, I eventually decided to go with SABIO. It has been the best decision I have ever made.
SABIO offered the closest real world experience I could ever hoped for. We worked on a project for a client. I experienced creating the whole stack, from Front, Mid tier to the back. I experienced having an agile environment, doing daily stand ups, working on cards (trello), and have done best industry practices such as code reviews. Best of all, SABIO offers mentorship and training for 5 years after you finish your program. The cohorts are also smaller with a maximum of 10 fellows per cohort, giving each fellows a great opportunity to learn from the Instructors and do more.
The training was intense, but it was worth it. Like everything else, You'll end up with what you put in, The long hours, the studying, the sacrifices, its only for 3 months, so I made the most out of it. And on the last day of my training, I got a job offer.
To Gregorio, Liliana, AAron, John and Jimmy... Thank you.
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Anonymous
.Net Done The Right Way.
Becoming a Fullstack .Net developer is not an easy task, but this course will supply you with tools, knowledge, and some of the most supportive people you need to succeed.
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Anonymous
12 weeks, 3 words...It's worth it!
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I first heard about Sabio from my dad, when he met the founders of the bootcamp at a tech event. I was working in the financial service industry at the time when he told me about it.
Not long after I left that industry, I began looking into other coding programs prior to checking out Sabio, but they didn't really intrigue me. So I researched Sabio online and found out about their high percentage of graduates who get placed in well paying jobs. I was skeptical at first because it seemed too good to be true, but I was sold at one of Sabio's info session, when they explained how they continue to develop careers of graduates years after completing the bootcamp and getting a job.
What I enjoyed the most about the bootcamp is working in a small classroom setting that is hands-on with a product that will be functional and presentable for your portfolio. It's a very intense training program, but it is very rewarding if you are willing to dedicate the time and invest the money.
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Anonymous
Great investment in career
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Joining Sabio was the best decision I ever made for my career. After feeling stuck at different entry-level jobs over the last few years with zero growth, I decided I needed to make a change. I had no prior programming experience, but because of Sabio, I am now making more money than I ever have and I feel like I finally have a real career path. When I was considering different programs, what really sold me on Sabio was how much the founders and instructors truly care for the Sabio fellows. They keep in touch with fellows even after they graduate, providing advice and inviting them to Sabio's social and career development events. I can't stress enough how important it is to have this support. The staff will push you, challenge you, and encourage you because they believe in you, and they want you to succeed. Cohorts are small, about 10 people, and the instructors have 10+ years of experience. While I personally benefitted from the different instructors (my cohort had two different instructors), if you learn better with a specific teaching style, I would recommend you get to know the instructors beforehand. Many cohorts work on a real-world project with a real client, which is a valuable experience. In general, before signing up for any bootcamp, make sure this is something you really want to do. Coding will be your life for three months, and hopefully your career for many years to come. Complete the tutorials on Code Academy to start with. Sabio has six weeks of pre-work before the program starts. I recommend participating in this fully to prepare for the program. If you enjoy web development and are good at it, then this is a good investment for your future. I was lucky to receive two job offers before I graduated. While it can typically take several weeks to find a job after graduating, Sabio will provide you with the skills to be a junior developer, as long as you put in the work. And you really do have to put in the hours to get the most out of this program. If I had to provide criticism, perhaps there could have been more group instruction. You spend most of your time in Sabio doing hands-on coding as an individual, and without a doubt, this is the best way to learn how to code -- by just doing it. But more instruction could provide more value for the tuition. Quality of job assistance is hard to judge, since it ultimately depends on the individual to apply to jobs and become good at interviewing, which I imagine is the case for any bootcamp. Sabio does provide lots of great advice, interview practice, resume critique, and a meeting with recruiters. To sum up, Sabio has changed my life for the better. I'm making more money, I have a real career path, and I have the confidence to strive for more in life. This was a great investment in my career that I truly wish I had made sooner. -
Anonymous
Learn Full Stack .NET Web Development The Right Way: Go to Sabio.la
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My, my, my, where to even begin? I'm sure whatever words come next will be wholly inadequate but let me give it a shot anyway.
I'm a math teacher by training--Bachelors and Masters from UC Davis, with nearly 20 years of teaching experience. I'm pretty damn good at that. I've taught fairly advanced math to a Cal Berkeley engineering student--multi-variate and vector Calculus, Linear Algebra, basic ODEs and PDEs. I have a poster on my bedroom wall that contains a multi-million digit prime number. Every single digit. I'm a math nerd.
I also programmed a computer for the first time when I was about 10 years old. I've programmed on and off for many years in a number of languages. But I had really only dabbled; never took on any kind of major project, by myself or as part of a team. I pick up computer languages without too much trouble.
Fast forward. By June of 2015, after another lousy year as a private math tutor, I knew I needed a new career. And software development was the clear choice! I did some online homework to see what web developer bootcamps were in the Los Angeles area. I knew a bit about Makers Square and sure enough, they were launching their first cohort in July. But then I found Sabio.la. Who were these folks? I was intrigued!
I called Liliana and had an informative conversation. Then I came to an info session. I was floored by what I heard Liliana and Gregorio saying. They could show me how to become a web developer? And not just me, but anybody who wants it and is willing to do the work? A full stack .NET web developer? We're going to probably build a real web app for a real client? Are you kidding me? I knew right then and there Sabio was the place for me. They welcome a great diversity of people--under represented groups is their speciality. That was also a huge selling point. Too many talented, capable people slip through the cracks in America: yes, white male privlege really is a thing. I was happy to see Sabio so open to all.
After about 5 weeks of pre work--an intro to JS/HTML/CSS, .NET MVC, and some SQL Server/TSQL--I was officially a member of cohort 10, which started on Monday, August 3. And yes, we had a real client, n NY!
I won't give you all the grueling details, just a few, so that you get that this is the real deal, no bs, no fluff! Gregorio pushed us hard from the get go. We learned it all. HTML, CSS. Bootstrap, JavaScript, jQuery, and then (thankfully!) Angular (or ng as I know always call it) on the front side. ASP.NET MVC/C#/Web API for server side. Stored procedures in SQL Sever. Third party API's such as AWS, SendGrid, and Twilio. RESTful APIs, TFS, and so much more. Like I said, we did it all! Every one of us, every day.
I was at Sabio by 7 am and stayed until at least 7, often 7:30 or even 8 pm every day, M-F. Plus more work on the weekends. It was tough. Really tough! A friend of mine describes it as 'putting your head in the oven'. That's because solving software development problems is generally hard. It can be frustrating, a real emotional rollercoaster. And I personally never felt like I was learning enough. It's as though I was perenially behind. Part of that is because I'm a bit older--late 40's and just not as quick as I once was. But part of it was that I really just wanted to take it all in. So much to learn and I could not absorb it fast enough. Plus it always seemed like so many other people in the cohort were learning it all so much faster. Who knows, maybe they were.
But here is the key: Liliana, Gregorio, and Aaron (our other lead developer), supported us, kept us calm, and kept us moving forward, making sure we were challenged right to the edge of abilities and beyond. They told us what to do all the way, what to pay attention to, what to put aside for later consideration. In the final two weeks, they helped us transition to the job search. They helped us put together kickass 1-page resumes that highlight our relevant tech experience. They pounded us with interview prep questions. They told us to practice whiteboarding and keep talking about our code. They told us play nice with recruiters and take every interview opportunity that comes up, because we needed the practice.
How did it all turn out? Well, by the day our cohort ended, Friday October 23, two of the nine who were looking for web developer jobs had accepted offers and were due to start the following week.
I was not one of them. But, on Monday October 26 and Tuesday, October 27, I had my first two in-person interviews. By the time I got back from my second interview, late Tuesday afternoon, I had received an offer via email from the company I had interviewed with on Monday. Just a day later, on Wednesday, the other company said they were going to make me an offer as well. I knew the second company was the right fit for me: a fast growing startup in Santa Monica. Hey, I even had a third in-person interview scheduled for Thursday, which I canceled because I knew I was taking the Santa Monica job.
My first day was Monday, November 2, barely one week after finishing Sabio. By the way, the job I got with this company had an official starting salary range of 110-150K. Yeah, you read that right. That is a senior software engineer level salary. And they gave me the job! Now I am no senior software engineer: I lack the level of experience specificed in the job description. Hence my starting salary is a bit below that. But let's just say they made me a fine offer. Ponder the implications of that for a moment.
How about the rest our our team? A fourth person from our cohort also landed a job during that first week after graduation. Another member of our cohort is in talks with a Santa Monica startup (not the one I'm at). Yet another member of the cohort has an upcoming in-person interview at the first company I interviwed with--the one I turned down. And guess what? He's probably going to get a job offer as well. That's how good Sabio is!!!
So, if you are ready to learn to be a full stack .NET web developer--if you want to learn the skills to get employed--I've got just one workd for you, my friend:
SABIO
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Anonymous
Great Program
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I have been waiting for the day I could write this. I wasn't expecting it to be this soon. But I told myself I would wait till I had a job. Finding a job was my number one goal in taking this intensive. I achieved that. I achieved it, with an offer of employment on the very last day of being in this intensive. I work with a great company and it is a dream job. As for pay, I now make more than double my previous hourly pay. I feel very fortunate to have found Sabio. It teaches you a great foundation to be able to dive into the world of web development. We learned the .net stack which I think is a great way to introduce you to key concepts of web development. Now I am able to move on to the stacks I want to learn. And I have the experience to do so safely. Since finishing Sabio, I have successfully developed a MEAN stack application, and understood every dependency I put in. I feel confident in the practices we learned and know very well they are transferable to other stacks. If you're on the fence on whether to take this intensive, I would say go for it!
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Anonymous
Excellent Program. Fantastic Return on Investment.
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This course far exceeded my expectations. I started working as a full time software engineer 6 weeks after Sabio graduation. The founders of the school go out of their way to ensure that you understand the material and the job marketplace. I had no technical backgound when I started the program. Now I am a part of the technical cognoscenti. Sabio is amazing and well worth it. They have a network of contacts and a community of Sabio alumni and supporters that you tap into immediately. The return on your investment is a thousandfold and it is immediate.
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Anonymous
The Best Boot Camp in LA
Where do I start?
Simply put..
You won't regret the decision to enroll here.
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Anonymous
Excellent program with proven track record
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Sabio provides a great environment for anyone interested in becoming a full stack developer. I came into the program knowing very little and I was able to secure a job within a couple weeks of finishing the program.
The program is structured so that you are coding and building a project for the entire 12 weeks. There are very few lectures and most of the learning is done by you actually getting your hands dirty in the code and debugging any problems.
You can't talk about Sabio without mentioning the founders, Gregorio and Liliana. They are both completely invested in the success of every person that decides to enroll in the course. They have made it their mission to keep Sabio Nation an open network for their fellows even after they have completed the 12-week program.
If you are looking for the right boot camp to help you take the next step in learning to code, I would encourage you stop by one of Sabio's open houses to get additional information and meet the staff in-person.
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Anonymous
Best choice you can make. Don't go to the other places
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First off, the founders, Gregorio and Lili, are the best kind of people out there. They're like your parents. Greg is really really invested in your future, and Lili is the mother that makes sure everything is ok.
My instructor (not Gregorio) was great! He always gave you enough to get you started but not give you the full answer (good way to learn...that whole "give a fish" vs. "teach how to fish").
The curriculum is tough! But in a very good way. It means you WILL learn. But that also means you HAVE to put in the effort outside of class. Live, breathe, eat, sleep <code>. It pays off in the end because you'll be able to get a job pretty quick. My cohort all got jobs within 1 month.
Remember that this skill is perfectly transferable to other companies so it doesn't pigeon hole you into one skill set (so to speak).
Best life choice I've made so far. Just wish I did this earlier.
Oh, and if you decide to do this...DO ALL YOUR PREWORK, and more if you can...trust me. I didn't and it bit me in the behind.
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Gema Ramila
No previous experience; Landed job before program ended. Still employed
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There are not enough words to describe how truly grateful I am for what I received from my experience at Sabio. My time there was not easy but it was absolutely worth doing all over again. I guess the biggest reason why I picked Sabio became apparent to me after first interviewing with them. They are not a coding sweatshop ran solely to make money, though it is grueling; the founders are incredible people who care deeply about each of the eight people who finish a cohort. As a result of the level of quality they deliver, I was able to land a high paying job before I even graduated the bootcamp.
Before I started the bootcamp I had absolutely no experience in programming, and didn’t even feel comfortable with a computer. I have an unrelated degree in Spanish and History; and yet, I decided to look into programing and started checking out different bootcamps and reading reviews to figure out which one to join. I’ll list out the reasons I decided on Sabio and what I learned in hindsight.
Reason’s why I would choose Sabio all over again:
It is NOT a factory pumping out programmers with little to no skills. This was a determining factor in choosing not to go with some of the other options, and after having finished the bootcamp, I came out confident in my ability to figure out problems needed to get things done.
-It is NOT a class where you go and listen to someone go on for hours
-It is NOT a place to be babied.
-They DO NOT hire they own fellows. All the instructors have 10 years of experience or more.
-They teach you to be resourceful and think like a programer.
-There are only 8 students per class.
-They have a TON of pre-work and resources to make sure you learn as much as possible before you start the program so that you get the most out of your time there.
-They invest in you before you invest in them. You can come to their pre-work classes and get a taste of the program and make your decision without having to pay anything up front.
-They have a system in place that has proven to be successful (I got a job a week before graduating)
-The founders are real people who genuinely care about you and your success and you can feel that when you meet them.
The program is intense, but very rewarding. Gregorio and Liliana (the founders) take the time to meet everyone and make sure that everyone’s needs are met. They check up on you as often as they can and adjust reasonable requests. Gregorio usually stays on campus late, so if you're there programing he makes himself available to answer questions and help you when you're stuck. You definitely get way more attention than what you pay for and this was invaluable to me.
The best thing about this program is that you’re actually building a product that you can then brag about. The other bootcamps out there have little projects that anyone with decent google skills can build without going through a 3 month bootcamp. Throughout my 3 months at Sabio we build an app, had meetings with the product owner, worked in an agile development… to say the least, it is as close to the real world environment as it can get. So when you get your first job, you are already familiar with how things run in a development environment and you can easily navigate through it.
Choosing Sabio was one of the best decisions I've ever made, and I guarantee you that it will also be yours.
PS: There is an added bonus… They feed you Cuban food every now and then! ;)
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Anonymous
Don't Think About. Just DO it!
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I know what you are thinking. "can I really be a full stack developer in 3 months?". Well the answer is yes you can! I was very skepticle at first but It honestly works. 4 people out of the 8 (including myself) already have jobs! and good paying ones as well! Sabio hiring is in the high 90% range.
The Course it self is a great way to learn how to code. Form day 1 you start to code! there is very lillte lecture and a whole lot of coding.
If you are really interested go on the website and Contact Liliana! shes awesome and will answer any questions you have.
you wont regret it!
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Jonathan Furuta
A career changing opportunity
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With no prior computer programming experience, I was able to change my career path with the 12-week weeday program that Sabio offers. I was initially on track to become a scientific researcher with a background in biochemistry, however, choosing to apply problem solving skills to the booming tech industry was been the best decision I've made for my future thus far. The Sabio founders are completely committed to the programmers that pass through their program and they have created an explorative atmosphere of pushing boundaries when it comes to the development of their students. Their mentorship extends far beyond the duration of the "in-class" training and I consider myself lucky to be part of the Sabio family. With smaller class sizes (7 in my cohort), there is unlimited access to a senior developer and that attention went a long way in ingraining .Net development skills into my daily routine. I worked on this cohort team to create a functioning web app, similar to the workplace environment. I learned technologies/policies that companies are eager to develop in and was an immediate target for employers right out of my 12 weeks. I would highly recommend Sabio for anyone attempting to shift their career path into the tech industry. It is a difficult transition to make, and there will always be an excuse to remain stagnant. However, my days are fulfilling in the workplace and I have a sense of satisfaction through completing the program and coming into the office facing new challenges that I know I can overcome through the fundamentals learned at Sabio.
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Anonymous
A Great Choice!
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Having had no former training in computer science or coding, within just three months at Sabio I learned enough about the languages, theories, and culture of web programming to get hired in a mid-level role, making $20K more per year than I ever had in any previous job. Students will definitely get out of it what they put into it, so be prepared to commit 12 hours/day to the bootcamp to maximize your experience and realize the best financial gains after graduation. Some instructors are better than others, so I would recommend going to a couple info sessions, meeting the instructors and some former/current students, figuring out whom you might learn the most from, and register accordingly. The curriculum was still being refined when I went through but I hear it's getting stronger. "Job Assistance" comes in the form of one (two if you're lucky) mock interview, a study guide with potential interview questions, a resume writing seminar, and the occassional referral to recruiters or hiring managers. Sabio does what they can, but with limited staff focused on other priorities, they can't offer much and you shouldn't expect them to place you. In order to get hired you're going to have to put in a ton of your own effort, perhaps over the course of months. Nevertheless, despite the room for improvement that exists, the Sabio experience is incredibly rewarding. The co-founders are super-genuine and passionate about what they do, and the #sabionation provides all graduates with an amazing network of colleagues and industry insiders for life. Investing in Sabio was probably the smartest decision I've made in my entire professional life. I highly recommend it to anyone serious about learning and seriously willing to make a full commitment to a 12-week bootcamp. -
Eduardo
Awesome
Best experience of my life, I found a developer job less than a month after graduation, the level of dedication of the Cofounders and instructors is awesome. -
Melissa Hargis
Extraordinary opportunity
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Less than a year ago I had zero programming experience, and now I've been employed full time as a software developer for 7 months. I was hired 3 weeks before the program even ended. Sabio throws you into the full development experience right from the beginning. I quickly gained the skills that make me a highly desirable asset to companies looking for tech talent, and I was given all the core knowledge and resources to be able to learn and grow independently. It's unbelievable where I am with my skill level and confidence in coding in such a short amount of time, and this is just the beginning. This career is exciting, fun, and best of all, it's challenging and engaging every day. A complete life changer all thanks to Sabio.
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Anonymous
A realistic approach to programing
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The bootcamp program drops you into the trenches of learning how to code as a full-stack developer. From application life cycle to third party api's the course allows you become a confident entry-level developer. Not only in theory but in actual pratice. The process, the srcum methodologies, moving from front-end on one task to back-end on the next. The instructor is great providing the tools for you to succeed, in addition the right amount of handholding for you to be able to start picking up habits that transfer into the workplace.
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Julia Wells
Sabio changed my life
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I did the 20-week weekend Sabio course; it was grueling, but it paid off for sure. I knew nothing about coding before joining Sabio, and now I'm enjoying a great full-time job as a web developer, making $10,000 more/year than I was at my last non-tech job -- plus better benefits. I still get calls from recruiters every day offering me jobs, and those recruiters who know Sabio state unequivocally that its graduates are hands-down better prepared and demonstrably more knowledgeable than graduates of any of the other bootcamps in town. Our class competed in and won $2500 in a hackathon four months into the program (two months before we graduated), and I've since won first place at another hackathon since graduating. The instruction at Sabio is amazing, and the support outside of class remains incredible. Especially if you are female, you will not be able to find a more supportive learning environment, guaranteed. Forget the other bootcamps in town that teach you next-to-nothing and cost just as much if not more; what you want is Sabio.
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Sara Inés Calderón
Fellow
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My experience with Sabio thus far has been stellar. The co-founders are really personable, and seem genuinely concerned about all of their graduates -- even after they leave the program. They are building a community around the program, which is great for networking and mentorship. The amount of pre-work assigned was manageable, and the instructor made himself available to go over questions in the pre-work too. Once the course started there has been a lot of support -- not just from the instructor, but also for the space, where we can stay into the wee hours of the night to work together. Especially as a woman and a Latina, I find Sabio's mission to diversify tech to be really comforting and a great way to enter the tech scene. And perhaps the biggest plus: the class is only 8 people, so there's a lot of one-on-one attention for each student — I can't imagine trying to do this work and also trying to compete for an instructor's time. I love how this program is geared toward getting Fellows professional gigs as soon as possible, too. I would enthusiastically recommend this program to anyone who is interested in working in tech.
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Anonymous
Full stack web developer
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A truly full stack web development program. Very intense. Good amount of prework although I could have used prework for the C# parts intead of just front end(HTML, CSS, JS, JQuery).
The program structure was clearly outlined at the beginning which I liked. The instructor was exceptionally good and fielding questions and guiding you to the answer without giving it away. We had great comradery among fellows which helped bearing the significant amount of pressure from the intense pace.
I missed a little bit of general theory of the programming concepts we were applying.
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Nicole Klein
Awesome Weekend Program!
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Attended Sabio.LA for the weekend training and absolutely loved it! Had just the best time with my fellow students and loved the instructor! Gregorio is a brilliant and talented programmer with 15 years of experience and the class is a very hands-on and catered to your individual learning. We also built a start up's website from the ground up which was super cool cuz it will live on! I highly recommend the program to anyone looking to get into programming. I am now a Junior Developer at a company in Los Angeles and loving it.
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Anonymous
Liliana and Gregorio take advantage of students in need
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Liliana and Gregorio took advantage of me in my time of need. I needed time off to attend to an emergency which they granted. Gregorio then had me choose what date I would return. When the time came for me to return though he ignored my emails and slack messages, and Liliana said I was no longer a student and she started ignoring me too! I have the emails as proof still but can't get any of my money back because of how far I had gotten in the program. They robbed this opportunity from me so I posted all over my tiktok, YouTube, and Instagram about this experience. -
Anonymous
BEWARE this unethical bootcamp
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Like other bad reviews have said. Sabio is a cash grab. What's worse is they vets doing shady stuff to vets. And they have bought moderator in the veterans group on reddit.
The scam is to stack up on vets and others in cohorts. Get the percentage of money from the VA before booting them.
Red flags for me were:
- Me and others got reprimanded an 1hr in. By the cofounder. For following the instructors directions.
- They say you can go in with no knowledge but 2 days in you have to be done with their java script, etc etc courses. And it's a running theme. Btw I passed it, I actually was early.
- Their instructor flipped out when someone asked if they could record lectures. A total time with the instructor is about 2 hrs a day. And that's because he's giving lectures to multiple cohorts. Oh and can't ask questions during the lecture. He will shut you down and tell you to put it in the Q. It's really bad asking a person who wasn't in the lecture about something in the lecture. And that's if the Q is open.
- They have a software program that takes over your linkedin. And you can't get it back. They have access to it forever. And they have modified profiles a long with instruct to not put the school in. A lot of these reviews are probably rigged since it says "LinkedIn verified".
- The Q system is horrible. Further more along with the lengthy wait (If you're lucky or not) sometimes the person helping you has no clue. And they will literally try to authoritatively talk it into non existence.
- This schools pretends corporate. Me and others have corporate experience and it's so bad. Especially since they RARELY have their ducks in a row. No one here actually has corporate experience. They tried to keep you busy so you can't observe things. Like you're being hustled. This place is unprofessional on a high level. But they swear they're elite.
- We had to pay $20 a day to be on campus. 2 days a week or something like that is mandatory. They don't have anything setup. There's some desks and ports. There's no monitors or cables. You have to haul your own setup. We also had to pay for other things, like parallels. Keep in mind VET TEC is paying 15k.
- The 3 certs that are highly sought after... Aren't sought after. They're not legit certs. You don't need certs in software
- The content is dated and un organized. The video format is bad as well and you will kill so much time dealing with it. They also have other sources that aren't good and you don't get correspondence.
- They forbid from learning code anywhere else. I'm going to be real when I say the following. I LEARNED MORE IN A DAY ON A META developer course on coursera than I did at the weeks I was at this bootcamp. I'm not joking and that's probably the real reason why they don't want you to take other courses.
- There was other programs collecting data. Thankfully I used a VM.
I took a step back from the fake chaos, reviewed my contract, talked to a software developer mentor and got out.
Added things:
- They LIE A LOT. And have been caught multiple times. They have profiles on reddit claiming to be students because the cofounder got caught trolling comments. They'll claim their students got positions but they'll hide info on the student (because they've been busted lying). They'll also delete their school from linkedin profiles and insert a position from a small company that they have deals with small companies (Basically students are paying to do work work for other companies as "apprenticeships" and the company has a deal with sabio). Which is crazy cause companies are giving falsified references.
Their staff is probably reading this and figuring out a way to cover this up. I'm actually not joking about this part.
They've done articles falsely claiming things. Like one they claimed a person scored an SWE position at AWS. And upon further research the person actually got an apprenticeship... Which people WITHOUT bootcamp experience have gotten. They also made a falsified claim about rankings on here.
They don't get called out on linkedin because they control all the student profiles. -
Anonymous
Don’t waste your money!!
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This school is purely a money grab. They don’t care if you graduate at all. They would rather get the 7500 upfront then kick you out after a month. On sign some other sucker up. They claim the be vet friendly. But they are not even close. 70 percent of the students are Vets. They say you do not need coding experience. Total lie. They have a free online web development course. They say you don’t need before you sign. Up. I recommend taking it twice before you sign up. But then they switch it up on you fast and hard after that they want you to do stuff you haven’t even learned and they tell you that you are a developer you should be able to figure it out. Weak Q setup to ask questions. But you’ll be waiting an hour or more to get a question answered. Then they expect you to be caught up. Like I said 12-16 hr days. Stress high. Personally I wouldn’t hire anyone of this school. They won’t have a firm grasp on anything. If if you want to take a few years off your life and live stress out for several months this is the place. -
Anonymous
Sabio
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Sabio has bad business practices. They get a bunch of people to join the program and then kick people out for anything they can. They take advantage of. the tax payer funded vet tec and gi bill. They take advantage of the benefits. They get as many people to sign up in the beginning and get paid by VET TEC. Around 140 people signed up and of those about 40 or less are still there on VET TEC. Initially they got paid 25% for these students. They find any other reason to kick you out and ask if you want to pay cash or use your gi bill. Sean Moran is the one doing this and Gregorio Rojas is the business owner telling him to do this. If you are a veteran who was affected by this contact me. Another student that was on campus said that the only people there are only on GI BILL. They also don't pro rate the gi bill they take all the 17 weeks if you used VET TEC. A lot of people quit their jobs to attend and move to CA and then kick you out.On top of that the videos which are called a "curriculum" are so bad. They are filled with errors and not even edited out. The videos are made with the least amount of effort. He calls out people for not knowing some of the material but Gregorio doesn't teach what we are supposed to learn. Alot of things reference Mozilla and W3 Schools. I will also be contacting those companies because he is taking money and using their resources as his curriculum. No where does is state that those are resources. They are their own separate module as a curriculum.This is tax payer money that is being purposely misused and on top of that these are veterans that are quitting their job and moving to try and change careers. In the end they get kicked out. I think there is public interest in this. -
Anonymous
Irvine - Full Stack/.NET Program
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Overall View:
Overall you're expected to work individually on videos that are uploaded to their website. There is no "in-person" location, it's just an office and zero faculty. You're expected to watch videos and write code from ~8/9am - 8/9pm. The day-to-day usually involves an absurd amount of meetings about various things (interviews of past attendees, finished products from graduating cohorts, lessons, etc). You get a 1 hour lunch break and (expectedly) a 1 hour dinner break. There is also an expectation that you code a minimum of 2 hours a day and a minimum of ~25hours per week. The instructors can check up on you at any time during the day to ensure that you're at your computer and will give you a notice of "academic probation" if you don't show.
The Tests:
You will not be given an exact schedule of when you test. You could be told (from my experience), 4 days prior or even 2 days prior that you'll have a test. There are no defined expectations of what is passing or failing, it's entirely decided by the instructors. Our cohort asked for additional information and clarification on what we should be studying for and where we should be as far as progress goes. They also do not describe what is failing the course and what is passing the course. You could fail 3 tests and be fine, or you could fail 1 and be kicked out. They don't tell you because it's easier on them to not say.
The Queue:
They expect you to check in once a day and ask a question. The owner of the business is very lenient on his instructors when it comes to being strict on the students. There are absolutely amazing staff that help you through (what feels like) the most difficult problems. There are also staff which can be extremely judgmental and demanding, they will not accept input from students and will carry on. While required to show up to the queue at least once a day, they can close the queue without notice. You will not be given a schedule of when it's open and closed, you will not be given an exact time the queue closes for the day, and you will not be told the wait time. There were some students that had to wait 1-2 hours, and that's extremely frustrating when you have several questions throughout the day. There are times I've waited 5 minutes.
Standup:
Usually a simple "What did you do?", "What will you do today?", "Is there anything blocking you?". Some instructors don't care, some care a tremendous amount. The purpose is to prepare you for standups that occur outside of the training environment. The reality is that
The Videos:
This one is much harder to critique. Gregorio had a wonderful vision for what he wanted his students to achieve. As a whole, the videos simplify a complicated topic and make you look wonderful when you exit Sabio. Unfortunately, there are some missing pieces as far as concepts go. If you're someone who needs to understand the "why" behind things, you often time will not get it. The retort you get for bringing this up is "Just go to the queue, that's what it's for." It'd be helpful, as this is an accelerated program, to not have to wait up to 1 hour for my question to be answered.
My Message To Sabio:
I'd advise a way to give anonymous input to help give your students a voice. It is extremely frustrating and difficult to try to help improve the program from a student's point of view if you're not being heard. We want the program to work too, we've signed up for it and many of us have paid money for it.
The queue can be improved, it'd be nice to see something added where we can see how many students are ahead of us and how many faculty are answering queues at that time.
I had no idea which staff member was for what. It'd be nice to know who I talk to for which types of concerns and why. A simple PDF with names and the ways the staff may be involved with the students would be helpful.
A schedule. As someone who likes to prepare and have a good outlook on the program, I had no idea where we were going and why. It'd be nice to see a simple (very generalized) schedule. It doesn't have to be exact week-by-week, it could just be an ideal outlook of the 17 week program.
Some of the videos need to be reshot because there are things that instructors say are incorrect or that instructors need to clarify. Having links to the finished code (heck, make it so I can't copy and paste it, just a screenshot would be nice) so I could compare it with my own would be wonderful.
There are concepts that needed further reading, a simple link that describes them more would be excellent. It seems as though the front half of the 17 week program did that, but the later half didn't as much.
The owner admitted he has dyslexia, can someone spell check him in his website? -
Anonymous
Sabio where students don't matter.
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Sabio is a coding bootcamp that, unfortunately, falls short of delivering a valuable learning experience. Despite initial impressions of concern for the student's future, it becomes clear that the main priority for Sabio is their own financial gain. This is exemplified by their tactics in having students work for free building websites for companies, their handling in veteran's tec benefits, massive cohorts (the more the merrier), and eagerness to switch vets to the GI Bill for guaranteed payment, as its more beneficial to them than the 25% increment that Vet Tec gives.
Sabio's approach to education is heavily focused on strict requirements and accountability, with a daily question submission as a mandatory part of the curriculum. Failure to meet this requirement results in academic probation, and a score lower than 70% on the next technical assessment can result in dismissal from the program. This results in cohorts being reduced to only having about 10 graduating students per cohort. However, the lack of transparency in the grading process raises concerns about the fairness of the evaluations. You will never be shown your grade, you may request it but its rather inconvenient to do so as it seems Sabio heavily relies on daily questions more than anything. This rather annoying rule will determine your stay at Sabio regardless of how well you perform on the material.
In regards to Vet Tec students, The implementation of the daily question requirement for Vet Tec students has raised concerns. Despite being framed as a requirement from Vet Tec, the official handbook clearly states "VET TEC students must follow all Training Provider policies and rules pertinent to their program of study. This includes all employment searching policies and rules required after the VET TEC student graduates." However, it has been noted that Sabio, the training provider, has taken advantage of this requirement and uses it as a means to shift blame to Vet Tec. It is important to note that the daily question rule itself is a policy established by Sabio, the training provider, and not Vet Tec. Thus, the students should not hold Vet Tec responsible for this requirement, which some may find excessively burdensome. The responsibility for this policy rests solely with Sabio. This issue highlights the need for clear communication and transparency in the creation and implementation of policies affecting students.
Lets talks about Sabio's assessment practices, Sabio, caused major disappointment among the student community. Before an assessment Sabio "recommended" certain sections for students to study in order to perform well on a particular assessment. However, the assessment proved to be much more demanding than what was "recommended." This caused frustration among students who had relied on Sabio's guidance.Instead of acknowledging this discrepancy, the Cofounder of Sabio, Gregorio, used the excuse that bootcamp is inherently difficult and assessments are no different. He blamed the students for not realizing that assessments are made to be challenging. This approach lacks professionalism and fails to address the root of the issue - a lack of trust and proper guidance from the training provider.Students have a right to expect clear and accurate information from their training provider, and Sabio's recent actions have fallen short of these expectations. The events in question have raised serious concerns about the level of support and guidance offered to students, and highlight the need for increased transparency and accountability from Sabio." Despite any valid excuses you may have, Sabio shows a disregard for the student's well-being and will make students feel terrible about any missteps. The use of vet tec strict requirements and “bootcamps are supposed to be hard” as a defense for their strict policies does not excuse the lack of support or empathy for the student's experience.Overall, Sabio's approach to education seems unnecessarily strict and entirely based on exploiting loopholes rather than providing a supportive learning environment.
I would not recommend Sabio as a viable option but If you're looking for a real-world tech experience, then definitely go with Sabio! They'll give you a taste of what it's like to be laid off from the tech workforce. Because let's face it, why wait for the future when you can experience it now?
Best of Luck
Yes Anonymous.Liliana Monge of Sabio
CEO
Feb 13, 2023
Sabio stands by its requirements that students have at least one q sessions per day with our instructors, this builds very powerful skills. Also, we are also very happy that students get to build a product for an entrepreneur it is the best way to add real world experience to your resume, and increases your likehood of landing a job in tech post graduation. Sabio has been around for close to 10 years, and we know that our grads land jobs in tech quickly and also get promoted in their jobs.
If people want to join a program where they will not be held accountable, then you are correct, Sabio is not for them. Many other alumni have mentioned that we do have high standards, and not everyone likes to be held accountable.
We have world-class instructors, dedicated Career Reps, and the founders are very involved in the daily operations of the school. -
Anonymous
the worst decision of my life, Liliana and Gregorio take advantage of desperate people
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At the end of my rope, I was desperate to turn my life around for the better and Sabio took advantage of that. Long story short, an issue came up between myself and Gregorio. I handled myself respectfully and genuinely wanted to resolve the issue. However, he acted very unprofessionally, made an assumption, and would not hear me out when I tried to kindly correct his assumption. So I got in touch with Liliana for further assistance. Maybe Gregorio was just having a bad day or something and I was hopeful that his wife, Liliana, would be able to assist with clarifying the miscommunication between me and Gregorio. Instead, she told me to file a complaint with BPPE and that I could continue with Sabio after the issue was all resolved. No problem, I get that there's a protocol to follow sometimes and I was willing to put in the work. Like I said, I was at the end of my rope. However, it got worse when I called Liliana to keep her updated on what was going on and was in need of paperwork from Sabio to defer the loan I took out - she responded to me, "you're not a student of ours anymore." There was no notice, no email or call, nothing to inform me I was being dropped from Sabio and no explanation for why I was dropped. Needless to say, this shocked me especially since Liliana and Gregorio make it seem like they care about you and will work with you as long as you were willing to put in the work too. But they don't. They are in it for the business, not the students as individuals. So now I literally have nothing, was hospitalized for suicidal ideation, and guarantee that I will do whatever I can to either get back into continuing the Sabio program or get my money back. I've already talked with a lawyer and it'll be a long process but I fully intend to take this as far as I need to in order to bring justice to this problem. Ultimately though, if things don't work out with either me getting my money back or being brought back as a student to continue Sabio, whatever happens to me will be on their hands for taking advantage of me when I was desperate to improve my life by getting into coding. I've single-handedly brought down two different businesses that violated the law and I hope to make that three if things don't work out. -
Anonymous
VETTEC BEWARE!!
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If you are using VETTEC you should steer away from Sabio! They haven't posted their graduation rates since 2019 for a reason, one of the latest cohorts started with over 100 students and is already down to ~30 students. the training is 66hrs a week and will leave you no time for anything but this course, and once you get to a certain point in the program, they give you a test in React which you are more than likely to fail. If you are using other programs such as your GI bill or you are paying out of pocket, there is a good chance they will let you continue, however, if you use VETTEC and fail, they will push you back and make you use your GI bill or pay out of pocket.
pros:
The course is very fast-paced and will teach you a lot in very little time.
Some of the instructors are nice and really helpful (Alley, Barnett, Zach, Daniel...).
cons:
The course changes after the first month and leaves you to code on your own with one lecture (1 hr) a week and videos that you should be following are inconsistent and some have not been updated since 2016.
People with no coding experience should not attempt this course, as it is too fast pace for learning anything properly and everyone just tells you "keep pushing", whether you understand it or not, is of no concern, as after a week they move on to a different topic React-> SQL, they also do not have makeup tests as the course is so fast-paced.
If using VETTEC they drop you back the first chance they can, so they can get more money from you, if you decide to pay out of pocket its suppose to be 75% (which is apparently around $5,000), if you use your GI bill they double it based off of the hours. So if you have 3 months left in the program they will take 6 months of your GI bill, if you have 4 months = 8 months of your GI Bill.
Some of the instructors (Nick, Danny...) are really rude, making the student feel stupid when they are asking a question.
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Anonymous
AVOID, don't make the mistake I did
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It's true what others have said in their reviews about Sabio, they directly tell you to lie on your LinkedIn and resume, and instruct you to not tell potential employers that you went to Sabio. Big red flag. Overall the instructors are mediocre, but that doesn't even matter much because most of the course material is in the form of pre-recorded videos of Gregorio attempting to teach code. The contract is also problematic, according to my lawyer - I can't go into detail on this yet though until the case is completed. Currently, my lawyer is building a case against them so they can improve because they aren't open to discussing this type of feedback/criticism. -
Anonymous
Not recommended.
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I dropped out the day before graduation by choice. I couldn't stand that school anymore. This could be fully learned online from free resources. Ironically, I used to supplement, if not replace the curriculum. Towards the end of the bootcamp, your tasked with poor instructions to complete an mvp for a Sabio client as a final project and present it to the client on the last day. That last month of bootcamp they forget about you and prioritize the next cohort. And for job search, the strategy is to spam companies with resumes. Regardless of meeting any hiring requirements. You will not come out of this bootcamp as a demanding talent. You are taught the minimum to understand full-stack technology. Then you'll have to somehow differentiate yourself from the hundreds, if not, thousands of graduates before you. I met other students before embarking on this bootcamp and they told me not to go. I should have listened. Lastly, I don't like Gregorio. It's either he likes you or he don't. He doesn't care for you except that you pass and make his numbers look good. Hence why I dropped out, the day before graduation. I passed every test. Most lectures were video. Then you would have to go to the "Q" to try and justify your reasons for not understanding just for them to humiliate you and send you back to the video again. Please avoid at all cost. Just learn online like Udemy. Some of the courses there are better structured than Sabio.Liliana Monge of Sabio
CEP
Feb 13, 2023
We partner with various business schools and ask that they pitch ideas so that our Sabio Fellows can build a product for them. Zero compensation is given to Sabio and our students benefit greatly from working on such a large-scale project.
We have over 6 different weekly activities with our Career Services, we offer bi-weekly Data and Algo workshops, and we also assign an Alumni Mentor to each Grad in addition to a Career Rep professional. We also hold various bi-weekly works. We also can help you get a referral into many companies. All of this takes time, it is inaccurate to say we just tell you to spam out your resume. That is 100% inaccurate. -
Anonymous
Worked out for me, but its not all roses
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Sabio is a well oiled machine. Everything is perfectly crafted to make it seem like an amazing bootcamp and they celebrate their graduates and give them job opportunities to obligate the graduate to them. Let me start with my experience.
I utilized my VETTEC benefits. Out of the initial 33 VETTEC students we started with, only 9 VETTEC students graduated. The class started around 80 and ended around 30 ppl in total. Over all, my experience was okay. If I could redo it, I would still stay in the program because I ended up with a nice developer job about 3 months after I graduated. Here are the pros and cons from my experience.
Pros:
- Teaches you how to get a job
- LinkedIn and Resume training generally works
- Interview Prep questions are spot on
- Real job on resume with references
Cons:
- Quick to put vets on academic probation
- Most instructors have no job experience and go straight from bootcamp grads to instructor and certain instructors are very condescending
- Q time is unreasonably long
- Unfair standards for vettec
I made it through with only a few academic probations which were, in my opinion, only given because I was VETTEC. Our whole class had a technical difficulty that affected our coding times but only the VETTEC students were put on academic probation. Attendance policy was much more strict for vets. That being said, it worked for me and I am grateful for it. I did see people get kicked out for ridiculous reasons, most of them were VETTEC. Personal days, technical issues, and health issues were all reasons to kick a vet out. Also most of the instructors have no real job experience and are instructors. They also employ keynote graduates to do things like promote and review Sabio. THe weirdest thing is that they have an apprenticeship program for Argentinians where they enroll in the course, graduate, and become instructors. So alot of your instructors are Argentinian college grads. This wouldnt be bad but on their website they proudly say "industry expert instructors" when really they are foreign college grads and Sabio grads.
At the end of the day, Sabio worked for me. The product dev section that allows you to put a real start up company on your resume is the absolute best part of this camp. I also found that their mentorship and job support is really good. If you want to do this program and ignore the fake positive reviews and outraged failed students, I think you should. Just understand that there is some shady stuff with this company and be prepared to look past things that you may disagree with. Everyone I know who brought up a complaint about Sabio to Gregorio was kicked out. If you are prepared to keep your head down and understand that this bootcamp will teach you how to get a job, not how to code, then I recommend it. I would not change a thing about what I did. Have a clear head, don't quit, and keep your head down. -
Anonymous
Don't waste your Vettec / GI Bill / money on Sabio bootcamp, find another coding school.
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If you can't find a job within 180 days after graduation, Sabio will not receive the rest of the 50% tuition from VA, AND they WILL ASK you to pay it back (not every school does that, but they are one of them), which is $7500.
*If you want to do in-person, you will be asked to show up 2 days a week at the office (LA or Irvine office only, parking is not free) watching videos there.
The instructors are simply not that good and they don't really care about you (a lot of them are former students), missing guidance or instructions.
You are basically watching videos and learn it by yourself (I can do it free on youtube, or Udemy, edx...)
If you have questions, you are going to get on the que and wait for 30min to an hr for them to answer you (and the answer is either too short for you to understand or misleading).
A lot of students have to work with each other or look up online videos for help.
At least 1/3 of my class wasn't able to graduate because of lack of instruction, the class is too demanding...
and beware of Co-founder Gregorio when you interact with him. If he doesn't like you, or you get into an argument with him, good luck... he will find ways to fail you and kick you out while keeping his money.
It is not just me. It happened to a lot of veterans. They spent a lot of money on marketing and fake reviews. -
Anonymous
Paid Reviews
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This is a terrible bootcamp, I'm not even going to waste my time writing about it because all the 1 star reviews are the legitimate ones. Most of these 5 star reviews are paid for by Sabio. They pay the individuals who graduate to leave them a good review. If you're a Vet trying to waste your VetTec benefit then join Sabio.
Don't pay attention to the last reviewer saying tell you family you're changing your life, one person I knew got dropped because their child got sick and this individual had nobody to take care of their child so they could work on a Saturday, no remorse from the co-founder though. Easier to take the VetTec money and let them go.
This company is NOT transparent, they pay for good reviews, change expectations during training and send notices after making them. You'll only speak to Alumni that they choose to have speak with you they're also paid for the "success story" interviews.
The only word I agree with in that last 5 start review was the last word that person wrote... "RUN". I would just add AWAY after it, RUN AWAY. -
Anonymous
Instructions are bad at explanation
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The bootcamp curriculum is really informative but many of the instructors are bad at explaining to you what you’re having an issue with. The cofounder/instructor who teaches in the instructional videos moves extremely fast and doesn’t explain what he’s doing in the videos and you have to get in a Queue of people in order to get any help. If you have to go on campus there are no instructors there and they have you in a co-working space and you have to rely on the other students who are as clueless as you. I’d highly recommend attending Sabio if you already have a background in coding.