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Anonymous
Comprehensive Preparation
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I think GA delivered on what they promised. At times, it felt like glorified, guided self-education. A lot of it involves googling answers to problems. You know what? That's fine, really. That's often what you do in the real world. Sometimes, I felt like the instruction was a little too hands off for the price tag, though. I'd still do it again. No regrets.
The basic jist is it will prepare you for working in a web job. It's heavily technology-based, light on computer science and theory, which is fine. It doesn't help in some interviews where they'll ask a lot of computer science questions that you have no idea how to answer, but dammit, you've built web applications! And that should be good enough. There's no one-size-fits-all approach to teaching programming and development. Their model is relatively good at making people into entry-level to junior level developers with some hands-on experience in current web technologies. -
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Web Development Immersive - Washington, DC
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I had a good experience attending General Assembly - my teachers were knowledgeable and engaging, my classmates were awesome, and the material was good for the change I was making.
I think my overall impression since having left is not great though. There is no interest or support for students after they leave and GA misses a huge mark by not pursuing alumni engagement.
Lots of potential and good opportunities here, especially in the DC network, but I think this GA team is more focused on its own internal drama and not enough on growing a solid curriculum and network.
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Anonymous
Web Development Immersive
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I had a great experience at General Assembly's Web Development Immersive. I came into it with virtually no programming experience, other than the pre-work we were assigned after enrolling. It's a cliche, but it is definitely a situation where you get out of it what you put into it, and I worked as hard as I could tolerate throughout the 12 weeks (and I continue to do so), because I knew how much catching up I would have to do to be able to market myself and my skills.
The instructors were excellent, very knowledgeable and available, with varying experience levels between them. The course itself was very project-focused, so that we would have applications to demo for potential employers at the end of it, but there was also ample time given to covering concepts we might expect to be asked about in interviews, and what to expect upon entering the workforce.
The only major complaint I have is the focus on Ruby on Rails for so much of the course, despite its apparent dwindling in popularity in my development market. I understand later WDIs incorporated more JavaScript/Node, which I wish I had had more exposure to throughout the course.
It's important to understand how little you actually know even after intensely working for 12 weeks, but as long as an incoming students expectations of both the process and the results are appropriate, I'd recommend it. The real value in the course (for me, anyway) was in providing enough knowledge and experience to enable continued self-teaching with the vast supply of tutorials, articles, and other online resources.
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Anonymous
HTML, CSS & Web Design Circuit
Learn to design and build beautiful, responsive, websites using HTML and CSS.
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Anonymous
HTML AND CSS
GREAT EXPERIENCE. LOVED THE ONLINE COURSE, WISH THEY OFFERED ONE IN JAVA AND OTHER LANGUAGES. WOULD DEFINITELY ATTEND AGAIN EVEN THOUGH IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE.
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Anonymous
Good school, would recommend
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Learned a lot taking the Web Development immersive. Instructors can be hit or miss --- I had one that was great and one that was not so great, but they both helped me learn a ton over the 3 months of class. Finishing the course definitely does not get you a job easily, and the job search was the most difficult/frustrating part. But it all worked out okay as I'm now a contractor with Microsoft.
Learned a lot, but there's always still more learn.
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Anonymous
Web Development Immersive
Great program, good pace. Instructors have good availability and attitudes. Will help you while also encouraging you to learn/figure out how to fix things on your own. Worked well for me.
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Anonymous
OK, but could be more rigorous
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I can't speak for campuses across the country and world, but the New York campus I experienced was a tremendously helpful/open community of people interested in learning web development and growing in the tech industry. I never experienced (though I have heard stories) of people who felt ostracized or put down by those with more knowledge/skills. Overall, I think the community as a student is a good one for fostering learning.
In terms of the coursework, we had very experienced instructors who had taught multiple immersives and TA's who had taken them themselves. We primarily focused on Javascript over Ruby (I believe we were one of the first classes to do so at GA), which I felt at the time was a good decision considering the movement in the industry towards using JS across the stack.
In terms of my background, I was coming from a tech role (I was formerly a product manager at a tech company) so I had had some experience in coding in my free time. I think due to that I felt frustrated at times by the pace of the class which spent a good deal of the first month on beginner aspects of web development. While I understand why it's structured that way (not everyone comes from tech), I wish a few of those weeks had been moved into pre-work. I think moving that work into pre-work would have helped prepare students for the rigors of web development and allowed us to get into more advanced topics quicker. One of the things I heard while interviewing is that students don't come out with enough exposure to the computer sciency aspects of development that some companies don't feel confident hiring grads because of that. There's just too much unknown that the student can pick up those concepts.
On that topic, I was somewhat disappointed with the career placement services. I felt it was a lot of resume and cover letter re-writing, as opposed to introduction to hiring managers and advice on how to continue your growth following the class. I actually felt I got better advice from a handful of recruiters I met who openly told me that they didn't have any jobs for me, but helped out of the goodness of their hearts. I felt, at times, that I was left to fend for myself when it came to meeting hiring managers and given GA's considerable size that it should have been able to leverage its community more productively than it did.
That being said, I did get hired within 3 months of graduating as a developer so all in all I'm a success story!
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Anonymous
Great, Minus Management
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General Assembly is great if you only focus on the teachers, the environment, the students, the curriculum, and the outcomes. But, after all, these are for-profit businesses. More and more you started to see these things creep into life at general assembly. While they say not everyone who has the money can get in, I'm not sure I believe it. They have less of a focus on paying upper echelon teachers now than when they started. There's more of a reliance on TAs who get paid fairly low amounts (and are typically previous students to keep those outcomes numbers high). They cut benefits like happy hours and lunches that bring students together and improve networks. They raise tuition whenever possible (despite the fact that all they are providing are a space and knowledge, they charge more per hour than even the most vicious private colleges).
Would I do it again? Yes. It is solely responsible for getting me where I am today. But if they're not careful, bootcamps will be analagous with low-quality in the years to come.
Work hard, make awesome projects (and rockin portfolio), network, and you'll be fine here.
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Anonymous
Web dev bootcamp
Great program, classes were fun and learned so much. Outcomes support can use a little more help.
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Anonymous
GA HTML CSS Basics
I had a great experience with this course. Well paced. Plenty of one-on-one time with tutors who were helpful and patient.
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Anonymous
WDI to fully employed
General Assembly's Full stack web development course got me a full time job with benefits within 3 months. Concise course plan, knowledgable and engaging professors, dedicated job placement support.
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Anonymous
Life Changing
I truly enjoyed my bootcamp experience. While I think the market is currently oversaturated, it was a great experience and career changing vehicle for those of us who have already gone through it. Everyone I know who went through the bootcamp has gotten a job in the field. Mission accomplished.
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Anonymous
A+ for basic Product Managment
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Product Managment Certification (Part-Time)
I found the program solid and helpful. I’ve been in product management for about seven years now. This program is much for new professionals or those seeking to enter the profession. However, I went in with the objective of defragmenting my knowledge from years of various PM roles is very different kinds of companies and products. The program did its job, I was able to:
- Defragment my experience into core best practices.
- Understand what kind of product manager I am vs. what kind of product manager I want to be.
- Have confidence in customer centricity and testing assumptions and hypotheses using scientific method. (…and fighting for that in the organizations I work for where needed.)
I would recommend this part-time course to anyone interested in product management and is NOT YET a product person or within their first three years.
Where this program did not serve me as a senior level product manager:
(But I didn’t expect it to…)
- We didn’t spend much time on
- Product Strategy and strategic thinking
- Steering a product with metric data or refining KPIs and metrics as a result.
- Product finance
- Pricing
- Profit and loss
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Anonymous
Intro to Adobe Photoshop
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This class was a complete waste of time. The teacher sped through all of the crucial aspects of basic Photoshop, but spent an exorbitant amount of time going over the simplest tasks (like opening a new file). I expected to come out of the class having at learned at least the basics of inserting an image onto a different background. The teacher was obviously very skilled with the program, but was not good at slowing down to repeat herself and show how she made her changes. The teacher also didn't handle individual questions well - she told several students she didn't know the answers to their questions and was visibly irritated when the class didn't catch what she said and asked her to repeat. I was VERY disappointed in this class and learned nothing new from it. If you want to learn Photoshop I'd suggest saving your money, repeating free online classes, and if you want one on one help, spend the $60 on an hour of tutoring. You'll learn more that's actually useful.
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Anonymous
Digital Marketing Course @ Austin Campus
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Part-time course taken on campus in Austin, Texas. Designed to give students an all-encompassing and actionable understanding of digital marketing best practices. Upon enrolling in the course I had about 8 months marketing experience/learning and was employed full-time in a marketing position (note: by a company that knew as much about marketing as Jon Snow knows about anything) and pursuing my own venture on the side. This course was great for filling in the knowledge gaps for me and giving me the chance to ask questions of an experienced marketing professional (instructor). Prior to the course I did not in any way know how to build a marketing strategy from scratch- now I do and the class was worth every penny and minute in that regard.
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Anonymous
User Experience Design Immersive
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I took the User Experience Design Immersive course that ended in May 2016. Overall, I had a great experience. I feel like I gained a really solid foundation for understanding what UX is, and also some great practical skills for moving forward. I think the fact that the GA course is structured around 5 projects allowed me to gain invaluable experience in working on teams, and design presentation/storytelling that will be very useful for me as I move forward in my career. I found my classmates to be interesting to talk to, and generally very nice people, and they definitely helped push my thinking and understanding forward. My instructors pushed me just the right amount, while also being available for support as needed. The curriculum does a great job of hitting on the fundamentals.
All that said, it's important to point out that my experience is that this course is planned pretty much as well as a 10-week course on UX design could be planned. But that 10 weeks by itself won't be enough. In order to find your first job, you should expect to have to do some networking during the course, and also more networking after the course, as well as additional work on your portfolio after the course. All that said, like anything else, UX is an ongoing learning process, and I felt like my 10 weeks prepared me well to move forward in the field. Overall, I recommend the GA class highly for anyone is motivated to enter the field of UX design.
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Anonymous
Poorly managed, unprofessional, sketchy curriculum
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I am deeply disturbed by this program and its lack of professionalism, and it makes me really sad since I had great expectations.
The curriculum is poorly managed and developed. A lot of it is borrowed from, or exactly the same as, free online resources like code school and codeacademy. Yet for this program, you pay 13,500.
The grading and supervision is all over the map. I've gotten perfect marks on assignments where multiple other students hit the criteria better than me, just because of the luck of the draw on the instructor you get grading you.
In my class, 1/4 of the near 15 students failed out after the second unit. Another half of the class was 'held back' because the instruction was so spotty, and missed out on an entire unit that we paid to be taught.
The assignments that you do on your own are very misleading. A lot of this work needs to be structured into your weekend, which is fine -- however frequently assignments will say that it is expected to take four hours when reality it is more like 12. It causes a lot of confusion and makes it impossible to plan your schedule.
The outcomes, or career support, is nonsensical. Anyone with half a brain will know most of the content anyway, as it pertains to developing a resume and your professional brand.
The projects, which are supposed to be building your portfolio, are often really just excuses for the professors to regroup or plan lessons. You get no support while you are trying to do these projects, and for that reason usually half the class's projects are unfit to use on any portfolio worth a recruiter's time.
The lesson plans in particular, are atrocious. Often half the class is eaten up by troubleshooting because the lessons haven't been updated for the latest version of a given technology, or because half the professors are on an older version of that technology. One half of our class was taught a language that is eminently expiring, so they will have to relearn that entire unit. Just poor, poor planning.
When you bring concerns to the staff, they have a very typical bubbly young startup reaction, which is to try to compliment you and be jocular to get you to buy in to the premise again. In reality this is just a terribly, terribly run program, and a terribly, terribly poor product.
I wish I would have done more research, or gone with any other school. They are all roughly the same insofar as pricing, and I can only imagine they would be a vast improvement. Steer clear.
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Anonymous
Front-End Web Development
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GA's Front-End Web Development (FEWD) course was a fantastic way to kickstart my career and make a long-awaited transition from journalism into tech.
I came across the FEWD course shortly after GA moved to London and after meeting Devin Hunt (the lead instructor) and the GA support team I was excited to enrol in the program.
I had no prior programming experience going into the course and I must admit I was a little nervous but the instructors adapted to the pace of the class well throughout and I now have a great website which utilises HTML5, CSS3, JQuery.
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Anonymous
Web development immersive
intensive 3 month full stack web development course.
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Anonymous
UX Design Immersive
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I not only learned alot on the UX design immersive course, I grew and developed into a UX practitioner, honing and developing my craft as I work on more projects.
Without GA I would not have been able to change my career and make so many wonderful friends along the way. I think the course has changed my life and it has helped me do what I always wanted to do, make a small contribution and impact, improving lives, products and services incrementally a little bit day by day.
My hat and thanks go out to my instructors and our course producer Laura who made it such a memorable experience.
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Anonymous
The best course I've been on in years
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I studied IT at university and frankly didn't really learn enough to start building a fully responsive website. I recently started my own business offering guided tours around the British Countryside and wanted to create my own website from scratch.
I stumbled upon General Assembly's Front End Web Development (FEWD) course in London after a conversation with a friend who had taken one of their workshops.
After speaking with one of their friendly Admissions team I was still a little nervous about spending so much money, so requested a call with the instructor. I was connected a few days later with Antonio Lulic, who was set to teach the next cohort. Antonio was fantastic and ran me through exactly what the course would cover and what I could expect to do upon graduation.
I placed my deposit and never looked back. I now have an awesome website which utilises, HTML5, CSS3, JQuery and have the confidence to continuously update it. I learned coding really doesn't stand still and you need the right mindset to learn on the fly and copy code from other sources. My site is also mobile responsive!
This course was brilliant. I made friends, and GA's support network is second to none. Highly recommeded for anyone wanting to learn web development.
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Anonymous
Do what you love - you will!
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I have to admit I was initially skeptical of leaving my current job and committing to the User Experience Design Immersive, looking back, I am so glad I did. It's a big deal to decide to leave what is familiar, have little to no financial support, and be open to something that you don't know will work out, that's why the staff at GA is wholly committed to help you "do what you love". It's a mantra that we've all heard before, but in my experience at the Atlanta campus, it truly underlies every facet of the program. The friendships, skills, and networks that I have created through General Assembly are invaluable, and continue to be a part of my ongoing sucess, even after the completion of the program. GA does a spectacular job of creating the right kind of opportunities for young professionals, career changers, or those just looking for something else. Not only do they expose you to the latest trends, software, and skills that are in demand, but they provide you with an additional support group to ensure that you are a part of that. Both students and staff are incredibly passionate, and driven.
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Anonymous
GA helped me change the future of my career!
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I went to GA and took the Web Development Immersive course because I was ready to change my career. I wasn't just signing up for classes online in the evening; I was ready to fully take my future into my own hands and DO something about it. GA did that for me, and so much more.
WDI is an extremely challenging course and not just mentally and physically but emotionally too. I probably spent nearly 100 hours a week learning and practicing the fundamentals of web development from scratch. Every minute I put into that process though paid off for me when I got a job almost a week after returning home from the course. GA gave me the confidence I needed to prove that I was capable of learning, and learning fast in a rapidly changing industry, as well as the toolbelt to succeed in the work place.
I loved how the course was structured with flexibility based on the instructors. It is taught by real professionals in the industry so you are getting first hand content and tips based on their experience in the field. The course changes based on the market you're taking it in and what interests the class holds. It really became a personalized course because of how much the instructors cared about our experience as students. They wanted to see us succeed and be passionate about our work. They were there to teach us, provide feedback, and encourage us throughout the 12 week course.
On top of everything else, it was probably one of the best 3 months of my life. Thank you, GA!
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Anonymous
General disappointment
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If you have a background or degree in tech, great if not good luck. I compare this course to learning Chinese, inside of a Chinese classroom, with a Chinese instructor, who only speaks Chinese and you've never heard a word of Chinese in your life. Some people were able to catch on but the majority of them had degrees or a background in Tech. If you're just a regular person such as myself, I definitely would not recommend General Assembly to you. This course is not designed for every day people who want to change their lives. Immersive doesn't even describe how fast the course moves. We spent literally one day on HTML two or three days on CSS and that was it. After that you get a couple weeks of Ruby, a few of Javascript and more advanced JavaScript later on. You don't have time to even begin to grasp one concept before you're given another and expected to be able to perform it. Two of the most common sayings I heard while at General Assembly were, "Google it" because the teachers usually didn't want to even answer your questions and "Well in the interest of time" and then the instructor would proceed on to the next thing and encouraged us to try to figure out whatever we were wondering in our spare time. The staff at General Assembly offers little support aside from advising you to stay after class where you can speak with the teacher for 15 minute intervals and work with other lost students -even then I didn't find the instructors to be very helpful. They never seemed to be able to grasp the concept of "I don't understand". The class projects are basically given to you before you have to do them. The teacher does a whole app with the class (code-a-long) that's just like the one you will have to do and then you just go along and redo the teacher's and just change a few things to make it your own. I built applications for project assigments without remotely knowing how to actually do it on my own. The prework and admissions assignment are child's play compared to the course. Overall I would say if you have a background in web development, if you played around with it at home for a while this course might be great for you but if you're just a regular person with no experience in web development I definitely would not recommend General Assembly. -
Anonymous
Web Development Immersive
At General Assembly we learned full-stack web development. The teachers were very nurturing and cared a great deal about student learning and engagement. Although the curriculum was jam packed, my peers and I left with a great set of skills that go beyond the classroom.
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Anonymous
Data Science Immersive - What you are and aren't getting
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I've had a great time in DSI and learned a ton. I went from not knowing python to being able to successfully implement complex machine learning techniques in the span of a few months.
That being said; anyone considering the program should know what they are and are not getting from DSI:
- DSI is not a python software development course. You will learn how to manipulate and analyze data using python, but python itself is not the focus. Your code will not be pretty, but it will get the job done.
- DSI is not a zero to sixty program. If you don't like math, don't have a decent grasp of statistics, and have never used the command line before, DSI is going to be rough. The more you bring in, the better.
- DSI is not a complete Data Science program. They have 12 weeks to take a group of people with varying degrees of familiarity with computer science and statistics and give them a solid, fundamental basis is data science that they can take into the job market. DSI will not take you from never touching python to coasting into a high paying job with facebook; but it will get you on the road that takes you there.
- DSI is a fast paced, guided learning experience. Being the pilot program, there were significant structural problems with my cohort. The question I continually asked myself during the worst of it was: "If I quit my job, took 12 weeks, and worked as hard as I could learning python and statistics, would I end up in a better place job-wise than staying in DSI?" - For me, the answer was always no; DSI provides a framework and resources for learning complex, difficult material that I would not have access to on my own. Additionally, the benefit of learning alongside a large group of others fighting through the same material cannot be valued enough - not to mention the people who I helped and who in turn helped me will form the nucleus of my professional network. No amount of meet ups and personal study would accomplish that in 12 weeks.
- DSI is what you put into it. If you rely on GA to give you everything, to provide all the materials you need to learn a subject - you're doing yourself a disservice. When you enter DSI the clock starts. You now have 12 weeks to learn as much as you can, so you can find a job where you put those skills to practice. DSI provides a great framework, leading you from topic to topic, grouping similar subjects, easing the transition between difficult, disparate problems.
- DSI is not easy. There's a lot to learn, and not a lot of time. If you're not keeping up with the work, you're going to get left behind.
I've had a great experience in DSI, and feel very confident in my career prospects.
Am I about to step into a senior data scientist position at a premier company? Probably not, but 12 weeks ago I was not in a position to even consider those jobs.
Now I have a solid foundation in the industry, a growing network of professional contacts, and a roadmap to a successful career in data science - exactly what I was looking for when I signed up.
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Anonymous
Intense, but worth it!
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GA's data science immersive has been the single most intellectually challenging experience of my life, making college look like a walk in park. However, in the past 11 weeks, I have learned an extraordinary amount and feel confident about my prospects in entering the workforce, particularly given the extremely high demand for data scientists right now.
As earlier reviewers have mentioned, the GA's data science immersive is a pilot program, and GA DC got off to a particularly rocky start, due to some mishaps with curriculum development, followed by our primary instructor quitting without notice a week and a half in.
While this was a very frustrating experience for the student body, I was very impressed with GA's swift and appropriate response to the situation. They exploited their many connections to hire a highly qualified new instructor immediately, while highly qualified and capable instructors from other immersives helped fill in the gaps. They also gave a substantial refund and added extra time to the program to insure that students would have adequate time to master the material and complete capstone projects.
GA must have lost an enormous amount of money on our pilot program, but they did what they had to do to insure that we came away with a quality education. The next cohort will have it much better than we did, as the curriculum has been improved and a strong instructional team is in place.
Of course, this class is still really really hard. Instructors do not, and cannot, take the time to walk you through how to do everything step by step. They give us direction and help us out when we are stuck, but ultimately, the onus is on us to learn the material.
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Anonymous
Front End Web Dev Part Time
I took this course it went by very fast and if you do not have a clue going in you are in trouble. The TA's are great but I still have not found a position it has been 1.5 years. The hiring process is also grueling right now. I don't blame GA for anything, this course was tough and they assume you have some knowledge. They do not inform you that you should have some knowledge before entering.
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Anonymous
Great wealth of knowledge
I recently completed the UX design class at GA and absolutely loved it. My instructors were incredibly helpful and gave me the base I needed to start building my portfolio and applying to jobs. I also appreciate GA's devotion to their alumni network. The class is intense and time consuming, but well worth it.
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Anonymous
Great instructors, poor curriculum
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The instructors were great and very helpful and the TAs were very generous with their time.
However, it's a real grind and the job placement help (they call it "outcomes") was a real joke. Outcomes should have been something tacked on at the end of the actual web development training instead of interspersed throughout (ideally, it could have been optional, giving students the option of not paying for that part of the class.)
At the end of it all, I feel like I've learned a lot, but I don't feel like my outlook for finding a job in tech is very promising and I still have a long way to go before I'll be qualified for any openings I find online.
Not to mention, the class mostly focused on MEAN stack which already has a ton of free or low-cost tutorials online. If you have the patience and discipline, save yourself $13,000 and learn this stuff online. I recommend starting with Free Code Camp.
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Anonymous
Gives the tools to launch you
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General Assembly is an awesome bootcamp, if a bootcamp is what you're seeking. In the three month immersive, we've covered a ton of Data Science topics. I went from hardly using the command line to being able to use a variety of python libraries to query databases, scrape web data, clean and organize data, find trends and patterns in it, build models to analyze and predict it, and communicate results visually from that. This makes up the foundation of data science, and is definitely not something I could have done at the beginning of the course.
GA is not a Masters program. If you're looking for in depth theoretical analysis and deep dives into lots of microsubjects, you may be better served in a longer program at a university. If what you're looking for is a rapid fire survey of the relevant topics and the ability to dig deeper yourself into the topics that catch your interests, then it's awesome. You'll definitely be able to find your niche and your passions and participate in activities to support that, and they're helpful with finding and providing resources (like books) to further this pursuit. You will definitely come away with a toolkit that is highly applicable to the field.
I will say that my experience is in the pilot program of the immersive. There are things to be ironed out, specifically in clarity in the curriculum and overall course flow. However I do know that the administration and instructors are aware of this and are actively working to refine this for the next cohort. I see the other immersives around here and their curriculum is very finely tuned, so I know that this is headed to a great place, and quickly.
Be clear about your needs and make sure that you're a fit for the place. If you're willing to work independently and quickly and get a jump start in the field, this program sets you up for success. They won't hold your hand, but they will give you the tools you need. It's a learn by doing, hands on type of place. If that's how you learn best, I think you could do great things here.
Oh, and the Outcomes team to help with job assistance - again, you get out what you put in. They won't seek you out necessarily, but they are always willing to provide feedback and support when asked. They structure activities throughout the course and if you hold yourself accountable to their timeline, you'll have a solid job hunting kit ready to go by the end of the course. Take advantage of this!
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Anonymous
If you are considering the Data Science Immersive, RUN AWAY!!
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General Assembly has bitten off way more than they can chew with their Data Science Immersive program. We are told the one new instructor we finally got, weeks after the first one quit, does know what he is doing. However, I am not really sure since he has the TA cramming on the weekends to teach us material and then isn't here when she can't answer the questions we have.
They are also getting ready to recruit for the next running of the Data Science Immersive which is completely laughable at this point. If you are looking at it, save your money. Either do the PT program or wait to see if GA is still offering this a year from now.
At this point I am just sticking around for the career assistance because I do need a job after this and I am really curious to see how they are actually going to find those of us that stuck around meaningful jobs given how poorly we are being prepared for them.
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Tyrone
GA London Data Science - Great course!
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The range and depth of content was perfect for a 'beginner' to enter the world of data science. It also provides a good opportunity for devs (who already have a good understanding of programming) to explore types of business problem they may not have been exposed to before.
I would recommend to get the most out of the course participants spend 6 months (c. 100 - 200 hours) making sure they understand the basic of Python and stats before enrolling. There were some members on the course who hadn't done this and they still learnt a lot - but probably found it more difficult to keep up.