RMOTR school offers 4-month online Python web development and data science bootcamps. Students interact with teachers, mentors, and classmates remotely and are equipped with the skills to land a new role in tech with the help of RMOTR career advisors. Trainings include a clear and curated path for the curriculum, scheduled live sessions, and mentor support every week to keep students accountable. Students also participate in creating well-thought, real-life projects to build their own portfolio, and much more.
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A fully remote course, but with two LIVE classes per week + unlimited mentorship. Learn to use Python to automate every mundane task and perform data analysis with the most popular tools and libraries: Pandas, Matplotlib, Bokeh, Scrapy, etc. It's a 3-month course, led by a real instructor, meeting two times per week in live classes to help keep yourself accountable. Our course is highly practical, you won't learn just Python, but to interact with the whole environment: git, github, test driven developments, deployments, code reviews, etc.
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Our "Web Development with Django" course is great for Python developers that are willing to get a job as Web developers or want to create their our products/startups. You will start with a quick overview of all the Django concepts, and jump directly into the most advanced features of the framework. We dedicate a big part of the course to teach you about HTTP concepts, MVC frameworks and RESTful architectures. You will be writing an entire RESTful API using the well know "django-rest-framework" library. The program aims to teach you things that you won't find in most of the common resources, like: good practices based on experience, conventions, most used tools, building reusable Django apps and uploading them to pypi, deploying your Django app or API, etc.
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After taking the introduction to python course, I'm not sure that the other reviewers took the same course I did. Because of the scheduled course times and promises of adding projects to our github profiles, I assumed this was a well-structured course with clear goals and expectations, but this course felt disorganized and disjointed. The syllabus is a bulleted list with no description of lessons or assignments, no dates. The lectures left me feeling unprepared for the assignments, and the lectures were very short compared to what I expected (often ending quite early). I expected 4 hours of lecture material prepared each week, but at least two of those hours were for working on assigments (as individuals or groups). Working in groups was extremely inconvenient, and I would have preferred about triple the amount of individual assignments during the first 3-4 weeks of the course, and then work on larger projects as a group (or individual, if preferred) during the last couple weeks once we all got used to working with github and the IDE, and comfortable with the overall flow of the course.
There was a distinct lack of awareness or interest in accessibility: transcripts are not provided for the lectures (I asked), and there is a heavy reliance on Google hangouts for voice and video communication. The teacher hopped around a lot when sharing his screen, flipflopping between tabs and windows, which made it very difficult to follow. He was very receptive when I brought it up to him, but the fact that I even had to bring it up (and the fact that providing transcripts is not something they will do) told me a lot. A RMOTR employee in the slack chat also used disabled slurs and did not respond when I messaged them privately.
The slides are provided for the lectures, but they are not super helpful, and they are white text on a blue background, and therefore not easily printable or useful for note-taking.
The course was advertised as a good introduction for anyone who wants to learn Python, and listed Codecademy's Python course as a good starting point and prerequesite. Other than Codecademy, I have very little coding experience, and felt completely unprepared for this course. The instructor and mentors kept saying "it'll all make sense soon" and I kept holding out hoping the next lesson would be "the one" where they tied it all together, but it never happened, and eventually 6 weeks passed.
In hindsight, I wish I'd requested a refund.
Out of desperate frustration around week 4, I searched for ways to supplement this course and to do what I set out to do (learn Python), and i discovered coursera's Intro to Python specialization program. This turned out to be much more appropriate for a beginner, and it actually covered much more material in a much shorter time-- if you've got no programming experience and want a more structured educational experience, you might try that instead of RMOTR.
RMOTR's intro to python course is probably great for people who have much more coding experience than I have, and are just looking to learn a little bit of Python to supplement their current skillsets. It is not for true beginners who are looking to learn Python as a first language.
The online environment needs some work: There's a students section and a learn section for individual assignments and for accessing lectures, and it's not clear which is which without loading them. The RMOTR environment for individual assignments is terrible if you need to higher magnification. Zoom is used for lectures, Hangouts and Cloud9 are expected for group work, Github instruction left a lot to be desired, Slack is used for general course information and off-topic memes or offensive conversations... At one point a google calendar went out, too, but I don't think it was ever updated. I highly suggest that RMOTR change their format so that it's more of an all-in-one experience, or lay out all the links, supplementing materials, expectations, and hardware/software requirements in one central location.
Mentors are available on a fairly regular basis to answer questions, which was helpful, but I wish that the material had been presented in a way that I didn't need so much handholding. With Coursera, all I needed to do was review the course materials a little more before figuring out the problems myself. The material really isn't available through RMOTR-- you really have to ask for help if you get stuck and don't have previous Python experience. The assignments for RMOTR are more about making tests pass, rather than about learning to write code.
I took this course because I heard about it through their new partnership with Women Who Code, and I feel like RMOTR has a lot more growing to do before I'd recommend this course or this company to anyone.
I've got many more comments and suggestions but RMOTR should hire me as a consultant if they want my expertise. :)
Response From: Santiago Basulto of RMOTR
> After taking the introduction to python course, I'm not sure that the other reviewers took the same course I did.
Well, I don't know, maybe the other +100 people are all wrong! Everybody has their own opinions I guess.
> Because of the scheduled course times and promises of adding projects to our github profiles, I assumed this was a well-structured course with clear goals and expectations, but this course felt disorganized and disjointed. The syllabus is a bulleted list with no description of lessons or assignments, no dates.
Sorry if you felt it didn't follow your expected structure. Our platform has the dates of each one of the classes and the topics covered by those classes. All our students know what they have to work on during each week thanks to it.
> The lectures left me feeling unprepared for the assignments, and the lectures were very short compared to what I expected (often ending quite early). I expected 4 hours of lecture material prepared each week, but at least two of those hours were for working on assigments (as individuals or groups).
We have the right amount of time divided into REAL coding and explanations. We've tested this for over 2 years now.
> Working in groups was extremely inconvenient, and I would have preferred about triple the amount of individual assignments during the first 3-4 weeks of the course, and then work on larger projects as a group (or individual, if preferred) during the last couple weeks once we all got used to working with github and the IDE, and comfortable with the overall flow of the course.
Developing human skills is fundamental for any programmer, and that's why we make our students start working in groups as early as the second week. If you delay it, you're just making it more difficult. If you had issues with simple assignments during the first weeks, do you think it's going to be easier with more complicated projects later?
> There was a distinct lack of awareness or interest in accessibility: transcripts are not provided for the lectures (I asked)
Accessibility is indeed an issue and we're trying to improve it. Full blame taken here.
> there is a heavy reliance on Google hangouts for voice and video communication. The teacher hopped around a lot when sharing his screen, flipflopping between tabs and windows, which made it very difficult to follow.
We try to show a real programming experience, it's not a recorded video. We have to switch from coding to slides to resources and images. It's hard to do it without switching tabs. At least in a live class.
> The slides are provided for the lectures, but they are not super helpful, and they are white text on a blue background, and therefore not easily printable or useful for note-taking
Sorry, I didn't know you wanted to print the slides. I'll keep that in mind for the next ones, providing notes for them. A text version might be useful.
> In hindsight, I wish I'd requested a refund
You should! Please go ahead and do it. You'll be the second we've received after +600 students.
> RMOTR's intro to python course is probably great for people who have much more coding experience than I have, and are just looking to learn a little bit of Python to supplement their current skillsets. It is not for true beginners who are looking to learn Python as a first language.
Probably. We usually recommend free intro level courses like Coursera as preparation for our course. We do real programming, it's not just following videos and it requires extra work.
> Slack is used for general course information and off-topic memes or offensive conversations
If you've felt offended in a Slack conversation, please inform us ASAP. We have a strict code of conduct and we don't tolerate inappropriate comments.
> I highly suggest that RMOTR change their format so that it's more of an all-in-one experience, or lay out all the links, supplementing materials, expectations, and hardware/software requirements in one central location.
We'd love to do this, but it's of course really hard and expensive. We rely in battle tested, professional tools as much as we can.
> Mentors are available on a fairly regular basis to answer questions, which was helpful, but I wish that the material had been presented in a way that I didn't need so much handholding.
I'm glad you appreciate the help of real people. Coursera is good but it's not going to help you take that next step of you writing real code.
> The assignments for RMOTR are more about making tests pass, rather than about learning to write code.
I'm a professional developer and my day to day job is making tests pass.
> I feel like RMOTR has a lot more growing to do before I'd recommend this course or this company to anyone.
True that! Thanks for all your feedback.
> I've got many more comments and suggestions but RMOTR should hire me as a consultant if they want my expertise. :)
I'd love to. Can you please email us at firstname.lastname@example.org please?
I've been learning to code on my own for a few years now. I've gone through many books and online courses ranging from free to expensive, and I've completed a lot of coding challenges and exercises. I got to a point where I felt like I had written so much code that I should be ready to build things that other people can use. However, nearly every time I tried to write something from scratch I would stare blankly at my empty text editor, not knowing where to start, how to design or structure a program, how to create a whole product starting just from an idea, or how to break down a large objective into smaller pieces. Sometimes I might make it work, but I would be frustrated and annoyed the whole time and it would take me ages to finally complete it. How could I feel like I had no idea what I was doing when I've written so much code and solved so many problems successfully?
These resources I had been using all these years that made it easy for me to learn made it too easy. It was too easy to solve each objective, and while I might have learned some syntax, logic or a nifty language feature, I wasn't really learning how to think like a programmer. Programming isn't all that intuitive, despite languages and frameworks maturing and being updated with powerful new features. Programming is ultimately writing instructions for a computer -- a dumb, fast machine -- that just does what you tell it to do, which is the problem.
The most valuable and powerful thing I learned through this course that made me feel like a better programmer who finally made it to the next level was not about Python, or fancy techniques, or code design. It was the realization that programming is hard. It's really hard, and it can't be made easy no matter how you break it apart. And you shouldn't want it to be made easy, or at least I don't want it to anymore after this experience of working on multiple challenging projects per week for a month. I've grown vastly more in the month of the course as a programmer than I had in the previous multiple years of learning to code the easy way.
Oh Python, you beautiful nasty devil. I love you. I hate you. You make me feel smart. You make me feel stupid. You make me feel powerful. You make me feel ill. I previously only thought highly of Python and programming in general because it was so easy, but I hadn't realized I was rarely doing anything incredibly complicated with it. Being challenged stretches you out in different directions and it mangles you as you travel around on an emotional and mental rollercoaster going from singing eurekas to shouting obscenities, but you come out of it an improved version of yourself. That can be quite an uncomfortable experience during the ride, especially if you're doing it alone. Thanks to rmotr, I didn't go through it alone. I had fellow students alongside me who were getting beat up too, and we had the wonderful teachers and mentors to guide us and unstick us when we were too bloodied to go on.
And those fine folks are the value you're paying for. The teachers spent the time laying out the curriculum, which is structured expertly with a concise weekly lecture and 12 fun projects that very effectively get to the heart of each concept and test your understanding at all times. You don't just get high quality mentorship, or their well-designed code examples and explanations. All of this has culminated in coding experience that has caused me to lose the hesitation to experiment, gain confidence to break things, and enjoy collaboration.
You can put any price tag you want on information, and that's what much of the education field is comprised of, unfortunately. Who needs to consume information as their education when we live in a world that runs on information technology? Almost no one nowadays. These education systems are outdated. People don't need to learn information, they need to learn how to learn, think, and solve problems. People pay tens of thousands of dollars or more for university (credentials + information), ten to twenty thousand dollars for in-person coding bootcamps (interview prep + information + coding with other people in a desk-filled room), and a bit of money here and there for online courses or books (information). There's mostly nothing wrong with any of those options depending on your situation, but they might be relatively wasteful or ineffective if there's a better way.
If formative experiences are invaluable, information is abundant, and a person's time is scarce, how do you arrive at only $300 (or free if you get approved for their scholarship) for a month-long course that results in a formative experience that empowers you to be the productive, efficient programmer you've imagined you could be but couldn't figure out how on your own? That must be rare, or perhaps even unprecedented.
Rmotr helped me go from stuggling to learn the basics on my own,- to understanding the basics of Python, and preparing me for a wounderful future of Python programming. I truly mean it when I say that taking this class has changed my life. I feel ready to get into the deeper more complex things Python has to offer, and their whole team helped me to get here.
This was the best experience I've EVER had learning how to program in any language. The RMOTR team honestly did everything abolutely perfect. Class on Wednesday, and 3 group projects spaced out untill the next class, plus the assignments on the learn platform.
The amount of programming that they have you do considering the fact I took the Introduction course was suprising, and it helped me to be able to put everything they were talking about in class together into a functioning piece of code. We worked on real projects that could have even been used in the real world. We even learned test driven deployment since day one. They really wanted us to understand test driven deployment, and they explained everything about it really well to us. Rmotr isnt just showing people how to become developers, they are showing people how to become good developers.
They flawlessly execute the classes and beautifully explain everything, always giving everyone the chance to ask a question at any time.
They also don't JUST teach you the basics of Python, we learned how to do things like use Github -Fork Repo's, Clone/Download them on Cloud9, Set up a virtualenv in Cloud9, use pip to install dependencies, commit our changes, and push our changes to Github. Also, the group projects teach you how to work in a group, coding with another person.. As a beginner this is hard to do because if you dont fully understand all of the concepts yet it may be hard for you to explain why you should do something a certain way to your partner. As time goes on this gets a whole lot easier and teaches you a valuable lesson, teamwork.
Another thing to note, the general atmosphere of the Slack channels, and conferences is like we've all been friends for a few years. Everyone is very respectful, and friendly. The teachers and mentors are always there to help, and I found that so are your fellow classmates; Everyone works together to help eachother grow and understand everything as best they can.
I truly thank RMOTR for this wonderful experience.
I found this course on reddit and applied, thinking that I was still pretty new to programming. I had been teaching myself Python for a while, but definitely felt pretty stuck on the intermediate side of things. I applied to Rmotr, got accepted, and took the course. It was one of the best decisions I made. (Full disclosure: I now work with the company as a TA)
The course took me though a lot of the more advanced concepts that I struggled to figure out on my own. There were excellent reading/studying resources, live classes over video chat, solo homework, and group projects. We tackled advanced mechanics of the language like decorators and generators, flask/web backends, and working with databases. We also focused a lot on the conceptual side, like when to use classes, when to use iterators vs generators, how to structure a project in flask, etc. The end of the class saw us forming a group and going from an idea to a coded, functional, deployed proof-of-concept project in a few short weeks. We got a lot of feedback from that, and also got advice on turning our new skills into a job (for me, this didn't apply).
I made a large investment of time, but got a lot out of it. They've recently restructured their course with feedback from former students like me and it's even more streamlined and focused now. As I said, it was definitely one of the best programming classes I've ever taken. It bridged that gap from self-study to actually working with python professionally. The instructors did a great job tying the things we learned together and definitely helped us build bigger projects as time went on. Aside from that, they continue to be super helpful in answering any questions (from "is there a library that does x" to "any tips on this job posting?") I or other classmates have had.
In the interest of full disclosure, I now work with the company as a TA, helping new students find answers and troubleshoot problems during their group work or in general. It's been about a year since I started the course and I am very happy to be a part of something I got so much out of. I definitely would have written this review if I wasn't working with the company, and I have written reviews in the past before I signed on.
The RMOTR team is up front about the course requirements: it's not for beginners, and it is intensive. I admittedly took this a bit too lightly and was quickly overwhelmed. I spent literal nights and weekends reading and coding to get through this course... I starved a little. My boyfriend left me. No just kidding but it was super intense, and I was in bed at 2AM reading through my course material and spending 12 hour straight Saturdays on project assignments.
This sounds bad, but in reality, it was the opportunity I needed to deep dive and wrap my head around concepts I that I was unable to fully grasp when studying by myself. In a month I went from wtf'ing 4 pages into the Django tutorial, to writing programs with my colleagues who had been using Python for years. It's also super neat to remain a part of the RMOTR Slack community, where everyone is more than willing to help out with my personal projects, chime in on concept and design debates, and put up with all of our memes. It's the best kind of virtual networking.
Our instructors, Santiago & Martin, are the perfect teaching duo who address doubts and questions quickly and succinctly. They exhibit endless patience and right away it becomes obvious that they genuinely want their students to succeed. Their passion and dedication is nothing short of admirable - it's contagious and inspiring.
Overall it was significantly trying, it was stressful, and while ultimately undeniably fun, in hindsight it was as close to the definition of a coding bootcamp that you can get. I recommend it 100%, to any and everyone willing to dedicate the time and effort. If I could go back I would endure the struggle again in a heartbeat.
I recently finished the Introduction to Python programming course put on by Rmotr. Coming into the course I hadspent some time familiarizing myself with the Python language through various interactive resourrces, but they all fell short when it came to learn how to actually problem solve with programming. It's a very different thing to follow a step by step process where all you have to figure out is syntax (like it's done in Codecademy etc...), compared to be given liberty to chose your own method to solve a problem. This is where Rmotr's teaching method really shines. They will let you lose to solve exercises along with your team mates, but follow up on you the moment you get stuck. This makes for a very efficient learning process where you gain confidence while not wasting your time beating your head against difficult problems.
As for the curriculum, there are essentially three separate parts: 2 hours of classroom/ lecture time each week, independent programming exercises and readings through an e-learning platform, and 2-3 group programming sessions of longer, comprehensive projects each week. The instructors are well-informed and clarify many difficult concepts in the lectures, but the real gem here are the group sessions. Working with other team members ensure that you actually communicate the programming concepts, which really help you tink on your feet and reinforces what you've learned.
The course is also a great intoduction to collaborative tools such as Github, Slack and the Cloud9 online IDE, and it has taught me lot about how to effectively work with others remotely.
Overall, expect for a fairly hectic 4 weeks of programming, but when you are finished you will have gone from being a newbie to being someone who can use programming to solve real-life problems. It really is a great value and I highly recommend this to those interested in learning Python programming!
I can't say enough about how helpful this course was for me. It was extremely efficient in its teaching, and I have learned so much in only 4 weeks. However, you do need to be ready to put in the work for this course, as it is very content-heavy.
A key part of this course is learning through doing, and the projects selected in this course are fantastic at getting you to really solidify your understanding of key concepts while completing your project. Lectures are only a fraction of the course, and the majority of learning will be focused on readings the student is expected to complete each week, and the projects. I think this way is a much more efficient way of teaching, since students can decide how they want to approach the material, and spend different amounts of time on concepts based on how much they know, and ask mentors if there are any difficulties. Also I believe that listening to lectures about coding is not as helpful as actually coding. The reason this course is able to cover so much material, and is so efficient in its teaching is actually because the course chooses this method of teaching and has a great mentor support system.
On top of that, their amazing support system of mentors makes it so you can always ask for help if you get stuck, and they will give you a little nudge in the right direction, or clarify any misunderstandings. Mentors will even go out of their way to check up on you every now and then to see how you're doing. Everyone is very friendly, and encouraging. Definitely a great environment to be learning in!
One of the most exciting part of the course is at the end, where there is a optional project, and students can collaborate together to make something for a demo day. I am currently working on mine, and I can't wait to see everyone else's projects too. :)
One suggestion is that maybe there should be a collection of previous demo day projects somewhere, like a display of some sort to see what previous students have accomplished. It would be also interesting to see progress of students as the course gets improved even more or changes! It would also be useful for prospective students to get an idea of what they will be able to do at the end of the course.
I took this course two months ago and was quite impressed with it. I had entry level experience in programming and python and was interested in transitioning into a career involving python. This course helped me to finally get into more advanced concepts with material that is very practical for real world use in the workplace. In my opinion, doing projects is the best way to learn a language and there were plenty of them (challenging too!). The instructors did a great job answering questions and making the learning process casual and comfortable. This course does require a lot of hours and you need to be ready for that, but for me it was definitely a solid time investment. At the end of the class, you are able to create a real world demo project with a group that you present to other python developers so you really get the full experience.
Since the course ended, I now can feature my demo day project in my portfolio as I am searching for jobs. I'm a part of the group on slack with all previous rmotr students and the instructors where we talk about job opportunities, further studies in python, and help each other with coding and questions. This course provided me with direction when I really needed it (I struggled with self-taught courses) and has left me with a great opportunity to find a python related job. Couldn't recommend it more.
Getting through the beginning of learning to code is quite easy. There is so much information on the internet out there for beginners learning to code, give me 5 minutes and I'll find you 20 different guides on getting Python running, and how to use the terminal and an IDE.
There are drastically fewer resources for intermediate programmers though. Once you get past the point of learning how to make a for loop, or having knowledge on all the basic data structures, you're left on your own. The next level of what you're told to do is "Go make a project of something you find fun!", and you're entirely lost.
I'll be completely honest, I think if you're dedicated enough, have the right mindset, have a really good work ethic, and have the time, you're probably able to get through that hurdle on your own and you don't need this class.
Unfortunately for us, and fortunately for Santiago and Martin, I'd say 99% of the people in the world who are trying to learn to code don't fit those requirements. This class gives you the direction and focus you need to help you break through that intermediate wall. A journey that on my own probably would've taken me a year, I feel like I've gone through just this last month.
The basic structure of the class is like this: You have some solo reading with some homework to help you force yourself to apply the reading, you have a couple of classes where they go more indepth into the reading, and then you have the meat of the class, and the most helpful part, the group coding sessions. Every week you get a new group of people, and you get 3 coding assignments where you really start to grow as a developer. Each assignment isn't a small project you run a simple script for and get the output and return that, it feels like you're doing a professional level project, and helps you get in the proper mindset and to learn many of the best practices.
I do stress that this class isn't for beginners. They spend barely any time on the bare essentials like for loops or syntax, so you're going to have to know all that before you even apply. If you can't write a loop to get all the odd numbers out of a given list, for example, look at some of the beginner resources again. If on the other hand that looks incredibly easy to you, just go ahead and apply!
I guess to summarize, I highly recommend the class, the structure and reading material really felt helpful to my progress as a developer, and to get past the initial hump of lack-of-direction. I feel a lot more confident in my abilities to do larger projects.
While this course's time committment is fairly significant, several aspects of it, combined into the whole, make it unbeatable. The price point, the scope of the material, and the dedication of the individuals running the course make it stand out above other comparable online classes.
By using test-driven development and pair programming as a core part of the learning process, students are exposed to more than just coding, and gain experience with real-world development strategies that are just as important as knowing the languages involved. They gain experience delegating responsibilities and understanding best practices through instant feedback from peers.
As part of learning advanced Python concepts within the core language, students apply these concepts to crash courses in the basics of libraries like SQLite3, BeautifulSoup, and Flask, to create projects that have similar functionality to real-world applications. Git and Bash concepts are taught to give experience with tools that professional programmers use daily.
While this course is not quite as immersive or demanding as others like Hack Reactor or App Academy, it also doesn't demand such a steep investment. Even with its scope limited to advanced Python concepts, this course's value far outstrips even the less expensive options, which are of dubious quality and still more expensive than this course.
The best part of this course is the knowledgeable instructors and mentors that, as a consequence of being distributed across the world, are able to assist throughout the day and night. For individuals who have odd-hour time committments or are simply in a different part of the world, they can get help as easily as any other student.
Well I actually didn't get the chance to try their courses because they failed to attend our very first session!
I was scheduled for an interview regarding their Data Science course, and they even sent me 2 reminders on the day of the interview, then guess what, RMOTR interviewer didn't show up?!
I spent the next 30 mins hoping someone will show up, I even checked the time and date again just to make sure I didn't miss anything.
I also used their live chatting service, no response there as well!
A horoble experience without ever attending a single session!
I just completed RMOTR's 4 week Advanced Python course (Oct - Nov 2016). I actually attempted to take the previous session in September, but found out quickly I was not ready due to not truely understanding the basics. Although there is a short quiz to demonstrate that you have the knowledge to qualify, be aware that this is the bare minimum. If you want to succeed, you should have a very solid foundation in Python. Despite feeling unprepared, Santiago, one of the co-founders, was extremely understanding and encouraging. He let me take the next session without any penalty, and even said I could continue with the current session.
However, I did decide to drop out after the first week to go back to the basics to really hone my skills, and it was well worth it. The true value of this course is being able to code with others on interesting, difficult projects. Most of the class learning materials can be found freely online, so if you're looking for a course to hold your hand through learning new concepts, this is not for you. With that being said, the course instructors are more than willing to help you with anything questions you have.
The most important things that I took away besides new concepts, was how progammers actually code. As an amateur, it was insightful to see the tools and strategies that professionals use on a daily basis. Moreover, it was great to see how different people approach problems. While there is obviously bad code, the number of good ways to the solution surprised me. Everyone is expected to review other's code, and you'll learn a ton this way.
They say that you need 20hrs/week, but for me it was full time. If you have a very talented team, then you may get the projects done in the 3 hour time, but for most projects, I was coding for 5+ hours the first night, and then maybe another 3-5 the next day. Additionally, you are expected to learn the next week of material. So if you're an amateur like me and have a lot of time constraints, you will have trouble keeping up.
The teams were pretty good. Sometimes you get people that are excellent, some are okay, and some are baffling - just like in real life. Sometimes you will have a teammate that is in a very different timezone, so you may have to meet in the middle of the night to make it work. This is the inherent difficulty of having a remote course, but in general, the pros far outweight the cons.
Overall, this course propelled me to a new level of knowledge and skills I never would have gotten to if I had just learned on my own. I highly recommend it if you have a solid foundation of Python already, are looking to code like the pros, and don't have a lot of time constraints. The instructors are top notch, the projects are super interesting, and the curriculum covers all the best advanced concepts of Python. You won't regret it.
I highly recommend the Advanced Python Programming class from rmotr for anyone looking to take their programming to the next level.
One great aspect of the course is participating in live group programming. We were given three assignments a week to complete in a group of 2 or 3 people. Each student had different backgrounds and we were able to share expertise on different subjects. We learned how to come up with a plan to tackle the problems as a group, and how to split up different areas in an efficient manner. I had previously taken online courses through coursera and edX, but rmotr's group programming approach really revolutionized the online education system. It was an amazing experience to work side-by-side on a program with someone on the opposite side of the world. This gave me the chance to really get to know my fellow students and form a network of support and possible collaborations going forward.
A second aspect I enjoyed was the assignments themselves. They rose in difficulty in a way that built on itself. Early assignments introduced classes, iterators, and decorators while later assignments made use of these features in an intuitive way. This class was particularly good for me because I had always been intimidated to jump into web development. I never knew what packages to use or what project to try. This class gave me the push I needed to just start doing it, and provided a solid groundwork in web development that can be applied to whatever tools you are using. For everything I learned about writing actual Python code, I learned even more about the higher-level aspects of programming such as understanding packages, working with github, unit-testing, and even submitting a package to PyPI.
This class packed a ton of experience and information into a short amount of time. Although I am by no means an expert in the subjects covered, I know have a solid groundwork and the confidence I can tackle new problems that I couldn't before.
Whatever course organized by Rmotr.com it is not just a course. For me, it has been almost a 'life experience': nice people, great mentors, exemplary organization. Coding is a challenge, and Rmotr.com gave me the tools to go one (almost two) step(s) further.
This course was definitely a challenge, and it was definitely worth it. Rmotr's teacher and mentor teams pushed me to learn features of the language I was not familiar with through readings, lectures, examples, and exercises, and they encouraged me to ask questions along the way. They did a great job of answering my immediate questions accurately and thoroughly, and giving me good recommendations on what documents to read to go deeper. The course included an impressive 12 programming projects, and looking back on it, I am surprised at all we were able to accomplish in the short span of time the course occupied.
I was cautiously optimistic about the course going into it. I've had bad experiences in the past using glitchy web conferencing services, and using web-based dev environments don't give you too little freedom to really learn how to work with a language. However, the conferencing tools the Rmotr team chose made lectures and coding sessions feel like they were in-person. And they walked us through the steps of getting set up on a cloud coding platform that reminded me of working on my home computer. I've even used it for personal projects since the course finished!
My confidence in my programming abilities has increased sharply since I completed the course. In addition to the language-specific topics Rmotr advertised in the course description, I gained great experience working on coding projects as part of a team, reviewing and commenting on code written by others, writing tests for my code, ensuring my code was version-independent, and deploying my code on the Python Package Index. I would recommend this course to anyone who has a basic grasp of Python or some other programming language, who desires to become a Python expert, and who is willing to get down and dirty for a few intense weeks of coding.
I like the forced accountability that encouraged me to to a lot of work. I was also pushed out of my comfort zone. I was learning Python at a much slower pace before the class, and now I feel like I have a good foundation to more forward at an accelerated pace.
The schedule is a little too rigorous. But I think that may have a lot to do with me having next to no coding experience. I felt like a lot of the time most of the other students were much further ahead of me while I was catching up. Perhaps in the future, maybe encourage people more and let them know that being behind is okay and that they should not feel intimidated. But in the end, I got a lot out of it so it turned out ok :)
I found really interesting how well designed each project was during the course. It was not just a bunch of assignments. They were specially thought to practice each of the concepts learnt during the classes.
I also really liked the way instructors explained topics using slides and sharing screen in their computers. In my old experience with other schools, instructors were teaching concepts by typing sample snippeds that many times were boring or not really giving a good example of the topic we were covering.
Aside from everything else, the human factor involved in RMOTR is probably the greatest aggregated value this school has. I really loved the community and the group of classmates I had.
If you have enough time to commit, I recomment it.
It was great that professors are super kind and helpful.
I feel like a lot of material was just thrown at us. i.e. I did not know how to use the time module and I needed it for the decorator problem. However, we never touched on how to implement those modules. It would be nice to see the professors code more, and see how they solve similar problems. Anyway, I understand that this is how real life works, and getting prepared for that it's also a good experience.
The Advanced Python course is a ~4 week long course where you're pushed to learn a lot of different stuff from decorators, working with Flask to advanced OOP in Python. There is a lot of material for you to work with be it reading material that you otherwise wouldn't come across easily all the way to Python talks/lectures that are more obscure.
Projects are an integral part of the course and this is where you actually apply all you've learned and in the end you'll even be able to imitate a popular social media site (which one? we'll you'll just have to find out yourself!)
I'm currently also doing the Django course that they just started so I'm still learning new stuff right now but I feel like I wouldn't even be 10% as knowledgable as I am right now if I hadn't taken this course. So, if you're hesitating, don't. It's worth it.
About 6 weeks ago, I was on this page perusing the reviews for the Rmotr course and wondering:
1. If this was a real course and
2. If the glowing reviews were genuine.
Well, 6 weeks later after having taken the course myself, I can assure you that this is indeed a real online course and that any positive reviews you read here are the real thing!
Some background: I'm a computer science graduate and had been studying Python and Django on my own for a few months. While I made some progress, this class has speeded up by learning by at least a factor of 10. If you are interested in going from Python beginner to Python expert in the shortest amount of time, and don't want to take out a massive student loan to do it, this is the course for you.
6 weeks ago, when I enrolled, I had a fairly basic knowledge of python programming. I could do simple things, but it took me time and effort to think about them, and I wasn't confident in any way. Last night, I just submitted my solution for a Twitter clone's API to my Github account and did a pull request for the teachers and my classmates to review it. The code I wrote is backed by extensive tests and works correctly in 4 versions of Python. Not only was I able to do this, but I understood everything I was doing and I can honesly say I felt fairly comfortable doing it. This is a big deal for me because even after 4 years of programming in Java at university, I never felt as comfortable coding as I do now. I now feel confident that given time, I can tackle pretty much any problem I need to using Python.
Santiago and Martin are great teachers and the mentors are always helpful and friendly. Even though I was in a completely different time zone, I didn't have many occasions when I wasn't able to get help from somebody.
One warning though - you must be prepared to work. This is a tough course and the pace is fast. You'll need a significant amount of time available to get through all the work for each week. However, if you can devote yourself to it for 4 weeks, you will be amazed at how much you learn.
One of the biggest challanges I've had with learning a new programming language outside of university hasn't so much been the actual learning as it has figuring out what to learn next. So, much of the time is spent figuring out what to study and where to find the material rather than actually studtying. This is where the RMOTR course really shines. It can be really intimidating to learn an advanced topic when all the content you're unsure of exists in one big bubble in your head and you're not sure where to begin. This course really helps with that and I can't say enough about it.
The syllabus is well designed and allows you to pick up difficult topics quickly because they're taught in a logical manner; most weeks call for use of material previously learned.
The readings assigned are incredibly helpful and detailed. The min-assignments that apply the readings are also very helpful and allow you to get comfortable with a subject before the class/assignments.
And the methods Santiago and Martin use to teach the course are exactly what I hoped for. They progressivly challange you more and more but offer their support whenever you need it.
If you're looking into this course and considering taking it I would highly suggest it. I can't say enough about it or the guys behind it.
I'm convinced teaching is not for everybody. But Santiago and Martin got exactly what it takes, they have a gift for listening to people's questions, the patience to try to understand them, and the interest to resolve them.
The program is great for intermediate and advanced Python devs, it goes through some cool stuff, like decorators and iterators. I was able to apply some of those tricks right away, at work.
The networking is also fantastic, you get to meet/work with some cool people. I think the group work was my favourite part of the course, and looking at the project through the eyes of my teammates, looking at them try to solve the problem, was a great learning experience.
I'm sure the course/system has some aspects that can be worked on, but you'll notice these guys are brushing up their codebase daily, pushing fixes, and just improving overall.
Just for the chance of working with these instructors, and some cool teammates, the course it totally worth taking, imo.
I wasn't prepared for the Advanced Python course. I hadn't been doing that much programming in the couple of months that led up to it. I hadn't seen a side project of any decent size to completion. But I stuck with Rmotr and I gained more than I could have asked for.
There were a lot of subjects and projects that I didn't fully understand during the course. I completed the preparatory readings and problem sets. I dove into the projects head first. I spent a lot of time feeling like real clarity was just beyond me.
The thing is though, if you want to learn to breathe underwater, you have to drown first.
I spent my time in teams with colleagues who had different strengths, different levels of familiarity with Python and with programming in general. I had the opportunity to see how they worked, to read their code, to learn from my peers. I put in many hours beyond the allotted time. I put in more concentrated time than I ever have learning to code.
The staff were incredibly helpful. The problem sets, the projects, each built incrementally on the last.
When the course ended I worked on a few side projects. It helped me to realize that the course had provided me with something greater than the sum of its parts. Whereas in the past I would approach some programming project and be overwhelmed by the big picture, now I could take a problem and break it down into actionable steps.
Over the next couple of months as I did my own work, little flashes of insight would come as something from Rmotr's Advanced Python course clicked for me. I'm now learning data structures and a few other languages for web development. None of that would have been possible without the incredible leg up that I received from Rmotr.
Our latest on RMOTR
Phil Wright studied math in college, and took a job in manufacturing after graduation. He started teaching himself Python to help automate manufacturing processes, but needed more guidance; so he enrolled in RMOTR’s online Advanced Python Programming course. Phil explains why he wanted to learn remotely in a collaborative environment where he could communicate regularly with instructors and students, tells us about his extra RMOTR capstone project that expanded his skills, and talks about his new job as a software engineer at FoxGuard Solutions!
What were you up to before RMOTR?
I got a mathematics degree, with a big focus on math theory. After graduation, I went to work for a local manufacturing company. The work was related to customization and optimization of their products and processes. In college, I took some courses that introduced me to scientific computing resources, like MATLAB and Mathematica, and took some very basic programming courses, so I had a slight working knowledge of a couple of programming languages.
Once I started working for the manufacturing company, I saw a number of ways that coding tools could be used to automate processes, and I wanted to learn more about how to use those tools. I started learning Python, largely because of how accessible it was and because of the supportive online community of people who were learning and sharing resources. Over a few years, I built up basic Python skills, and I knew some of the basics of control flow, but I was having difficulty grasping certain features of the language. So I started looking for resources to help me learn those more technical aspects of the language in a guided environment.
Which courses did you take at RMOTR?
Why did you choose RMOTR over other online coding courses? Have you taken other online courses?
I have taken some other courses through sites like Udacity and Coursera to improve my programming skills. What really drew me to the RMOTR courses was the level of communication between the instructors, students and mentors, that the classes were taught in real time, and that the projects were done in real-time, collaborating with other students. I also liked that RMOTR would allow me to ask questions and have immediate resources to get answers. Finally, I needed an online course that would allow me to work from home – that was a big deal for me – and also outside of work hours, because I was working full-time.
What was the RMOTR application process like for you? Since it was an advanced Python course, did you have to demonstrate prior knowledge?
I had to submit an application that included a short development test. It tested the basics of the language constructs and some fundamentals of Python. For the Django course, there was a similar test.
How many people were you studying with? Was your class diverse in terms of gender, race, life and career backgrounds?
My cohort for the Python course was around 18 to 20 students. There were two separate classes running at the same time, which were divided up for logistical reasons. For the Django course, we had 6 to 8 students. In both classes there was a fairly good mix of students and professionals. There were a few people who were interested in learning the language for their current jobs; others were self-employed and wanted the skills to offer to clients. In the Python class there were a few women, and there was one woman in my Django cohort.
There were people from a few different countries too. In the Python class we had a man from India, which was a lot of fun. It was great to be able to interact with people from all over the world, and around the US. I live in Virginia, but I got to learn with students from St. Louis, Texas, California – all over the place.
What was your learning experience like at RMOTR? Tell us about the teaching style.
Both courses were each four weeks long. We were assigned readings the week before we met for the first time, and then for each following week. Each week we would have one scheduled, two-hour lecture session, where everyone would meet online and the instructor would give a presentation related to the readings that we had done. We would interact with the instructor, ask questions, and go through a few examples.
Later in the week, there would be three separate, three-hour coding sessions. During each coding session an instructor or mentor would present a new project to us, then we would split into groups, and go into separate Google Hangouts and work as a team to code on the project. If we had a question during the session, we could message the mentors on Slack and a mentor would jump into our Hangout to help. Once we submitted our solutions through Github, we would receive another group’s work to code review, and our work would be code reviewed by another group.
We learned a lot through the projects, and through reviewing other people’s code. We needed to think critically about the design decisions they made.
Were there time constraints? Did you have to set aside a certain amount of time to do RMOTR?
In total we were working about 20 hours per week.
Our lecture session was one evening during the week; two of the coding sessions were on weeknights, and the third coding session was on Saturday mornings. It worked very well; it meant we had one day between each coding session, and one evening off, so we could catch up on reading or have a much-needed break.
How many instructors or mentors did you have, and how did you communicate with them?
The two primary instructors were Santiago and Martin, who are the RMOTR founders, and then we had 3 to 5 mentors during each coding session in addition to Santiago and Martin. We would use Slack to communicate with them – if we had a question we would send a link to our hangout, and a mentor would jump in to help.
Outside of coding session times, there were usually one or two people available, or we could schedule something if no one was immediately available.
What is your favorite project that you built in a RMOTR course?
At the end of the advanced Python course, there was an optional demo day project, where students could form a small group and work on a project for a couple of weeks. We had to submit a proposal for what our project would do, and build a minimum viable product. Then Santiago and Martin invited people from the software development industry to a demo session where we could demo the project and answer questions about decisions we made.
My group built a website which listed open software development jobs, and provided statistics around the numbers of job postings over time for jobs users are looking for. It also pulled in reviews of companies from the glassdoor.com website. It was definitely a challenge to do in the amount of time that we had, but I really enjoyed it.
What sort of career advice did the team at RMOTR give you?
Santiago and Martin gave us guidance on how to seek out the types of jobs that we would be prepared for after the courses, suggested some good websites to look at, and encouraged us to collaborate and share our successes with other students. They also talked about resume writing, and encouraged us to come to them with questions related to that. Alumni are still able to interact with current students and previous alumni through the Slack channel – there is a lot of discussion on there about job search tips, and about programming questions, which is really cool.
How did these two RMOTR courses help you with your career?
One reason I chose to do the demo day project was because I was looking for a new job. Late last year, I found a new job working as a full-time software engineer! I know that the practices encouraged by RMOTR are things that this new company found attractive in me as a candidate. For example, I now have a solid understanding of test driven development, good knowledge of continuous integration practices, experience doing code reviews, and working with Github – I learned all of that at RMOTR.
Where are you working as a developer now and what’s your role?
I’m working for FoxGuard Solutions, a local Virginia security software development firm. The team I’m working on produces web-based tools for security management for client assets. The work has involved doing programming in a number of different languages. I work on a team with about eight other developers, and we focus on test driven development, which I learned a great deal about at RMOTR. We have a solid continuous integration procedure in place for development, as well as a very structured code review process. A few of the tools we use at this company are the same or similar to tools we learned with RMOTR.
Are you using Python or Django – the languages you studied at RMOTR? How has your company trained you on new technology?
I’ve done some work in Python at my new job, and I’m still using it extensively on personal projects, but it’s not the primary language at this company. Most of the work I do is in C# which I did not have a ton of experience in before I got the job. But the languages that I learned at RMOTR helped prepare me for learning C#.
FoxGuard Solutions trained me in C#. There were some language-specific exercises I went through for a few months when I started at the company, and I was encouraged to interact with other developers on the team when I had questions. So it was a mix of using reference material, training resources, and asking questions, which is similar to how the RMOTR courses were structured.
Since I’ve started doing more software development, I’ve learned that the process of running into questions or issues as I’m developing is something that is always going to happen, and it’s good to know how to find the answers yourself. That was something I really appreciated about the RMOTR course – when we had a question, the mentors or instructors would answer the direct question, and also point out where deeper documentation could be found. When you have one question about a topic, you’re most likely going to have more in the future.
How has your previous background been useful in your new job?
At my previous company I learned a lot about time management and prioritization. In manufacturing there is a heavy emphasis on efficiency and lean practices, and that’s helped me see how and why tasks at my new job are prioritized the way they are. I also brought knowledge of how and when to communicate about questions or hangups that may arise, when those need to be asked, and how to determine who to communicate with. A lot of that was very key to the work we were doing on the manufacturing side and has helped a ton in this new job.
What’s been the biggest challenge or roadblock in your journey to becoming a full-time software developer?
One of my biggest challenges is part of my own personality: I love to have a complete and rigorous understanding of a topic before I start working on it. That’s held me back in some situations. I’ve had to learn to accept the gaps I have. One of the things my team talks about is personal technical debt, which refers to gaps in your knowledge that you’re aware of, which you deliberately allow to be there, so that you can be functional with a certain tool or topic. Being aware of that has been very useful.
What advice do you have for people making a career change through a coding bootcamp?
Establish concrete goals for yourself and look for programs that address those goals specifically. Don’t be afraid to do research into a number of coding programs, be willing to re-evaluate those goals and work hard to accomplish them. I can’t speak highly enough about RMOTR’s courses. As long as you’re willing to work hard and invest time and effort, you’ll certainly benefit greatly from them. It’s especially difficult to gain additional skills on top of a full-time job, but it won’t be that difficult forever – it’s worth the extra effort!